A Voice for Men raises $29k to pay for additional security following threats

June 4, 2014
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tumblr_inline_n6mwimBx1b1qflue3You might remember our blog post on the First International Conference on Men’s Issues, organized by MRA group A Voice For Men, last week — and the ample stir it caused in the comment section.

On June 7, those opposed to the Detroit conference are gathering in Grand Circus park at 10 a.m. to protest the event scheduled for June 26 through 28 at the DoubleTree Hotel at 525 W. Lafayette Blvd., Detroit.

Following a series of speakers, protestors will march to the hotel, where organizers will ask that the event be cancelled.

A petition circulating on change.org, asking the same task of the hotel, has received 2,600 signatures. Tumblr blogger fatbodypolitics, who said in a post that she helped organize the protest, said that she feels employees of the hotel are being threatened by AVFM.

However, AVFM has assured that they a non-violent organization and and Paul Elam, founder and publisher for the group, is demanding that no AVFM staff attend the protest or engage with the organizers.

Elam said that last Friday he was told by the DoubleTree Hotel that AVFM would have to pay for security and insurance for the conference due to threats related to violence, death and property damage to the hotel. To cover costs, some of which include hiring off-duty Detroit police officers, Elam started a campaign on fundanything.com, and has since raised more than $29,000.

Elam has also reminded protestors that the group has a contract with the hotel, and that he believes efforts to stop the event will be futile.

The conference will deal with issues like suicide, child custody, family law, homelessness, paternity fraud and parental alienation, according to Elam’s page on fundanything.com.

 

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  • fools2234

    Hate group tactics by feminists are expected when someone DARES to host a conference on mens rights issues. These thug feminists did the same thing in Canada where they blockaded the enterence to a conference, got physically violent with people, and even pulled a fire alarm (wasting firemen’s time) in an attempt to get the conference cancelled.

    “U of T feminists” – Youtube it if you don’t believe me.

  • sarahgray

    There is absolutely no evidence any threats were actually made.
    Even the police admit there have been no reports of threats.

  • https://twitter.com/malcolmingabout Malcolm H. Johnston

    Well aren’t you the tireless trooper sarahgray?
    You’re going to need a very big napkin to wipe all that egg off of your face soon.
    See you in Detroit.

  • sarahgray

    If you are so sure the threats are real, as an attendee you can report them to the police.
    Is that a threat?

  • https://twitter.com/malcolmingabout Malcolm H. Johnston

    I personally haven’t been threatened, so there’s no need for me to go to the police. I’m confident everything is in good hands,
    Is what a threat?

  • sarahgray

    The threat to throw eggs at me.
    The DPD told me that attendees can report the threats because the letter said attendees were being threatened. So yes, you have been personally threatened.

  • https://twitter.com/malcolmingabout Malcolm H. Johnston

    Your last comment just made my day sarahgray. Thank you.

  • Teflon Expat

    This is going to be the most fun feminist anti-feminist boondoggle ever! The press is going to eat. this. up.

  • Teflon Expat

    You MRA guys have been handed such a great opportunity by feminists to actually make feminists look like fools. Its astounding. You all must be having a constant laugh about this. They are running in circles screaming with their arms flaying around.

  • Cora Newbold

    This post isn’t accurate, it doesn’t even use proper English. Why should I believe someone who will not edit their work? Only a non-professional would be so anxious to get their work up that they wouldn’t correct their mistakes. Usually non-professionals don’t have the facts either, so why should I listen to a reporter’s opinionated post where there aren’t even facts. Not only that but it says in this article that they were being threatened by AVFM, but in all the other stories they say they were threatened by feminists and that’s why they hired the extra help. Not only that, but they didn’t even get the funding information right on how much the group made. The income was 25K not 29k.

  • Incubus

    The claim about MRAs doing the threatening is pretty funny. As Karen
    Straughan has said, she has never encountered so much projection in her
    life as when she started debating things with feminists.

  • Incubus

    Either there’s evidence that the hotel is lying, or there’s evidence that threats have been made. Since the hotel would open themselves up to a huge lawsuit if they extorted money from us in this way, I’m going to say the threats being made are the more likely scenario here.

  • Incubus

    Alright, I think Sarahgray may have been trying to make a point here, that MRAs are overreacting to things that were screenshotted from the Facebook page. Hopefully, that’s what she’s doing. I hope to God she isn’t seriously this eager to find fault with anything an opposing side says.

    Assuming she was trying to make a point, I have to disagree that MRAs are reading too much into things. The statements, which we have screenshots of, clearly say “I may become trigger happy while I’m there.” I find it interesting that Sarah thinks AVFM is advocating violence against women because a poster who advocated the right to defend ourselves if we’re attacked, yet thinks we’re overreacting by responding to someone threatening to get trigger happy, especially just weeks after the Elliot Rodger shooting. I have to wonder if Sarah has any concern at all for the need of men to feel safe.

    This is all assuming she was trying to make a point when she said that. If she wasn’t, well… I don’t think anything more needs to be said.

  • Incubus

    Why are all the people who oppose us named Emma?

  • Incubus

    There are numerous grammatical errors in this article, and it is clearly a slanted piece, although not as outrightly slanted as the first one was.

    But the fundanything campaign is actually up to $30,000 now. People continued donating even after the $25,000 goal was reached, probably because they know feminists are going to continue with these antics and try to get the hotel to demand more money from us.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com/ Dean Esmay

    We are not afraid, and we shall overcome the anti-human-rights fascists who are protesting us. There is no scenario in which the conference will not happen. At this point we’re sold out weeks in advance and are going to have to look for ways to accomodate more people. Which is good, we want to include as diverse and large an array of people as possible. We expect the protestors to keep lying, to keep making their threats, keep making racist and homophobic remarks. Let them. We will not be silenced by their bullying and lies.

  • James Nunya

    “The conference will deal with issues like suicide, child custody, family law, homelessness, paternity fraud and parental alienation”

    Clearly we can’t have that now can we. I say we protest. I mean, how dare people care about men’s perspective on these issues. /s

  • Matthew Lane

    Since feminism is on the way out, the NWO, oops, I meant NOW has taken to cloning the remaining feminists.

  • sarahgray

    Then they should report the threats or at least confirm that they sent the letter.

  • visionary_23

    AVFM already confirmed that they received a certified letter from the Hotel AND posted it. They’re being forced to pay 25,000 dollars as a result — but given that there’s so much absurd support for a conference that focuses on Men’s Issues without feminist bigotry, the money was raised in basically a day.

    Not sure how they’re supposed to report on the exact threats the HOTEL received.

  • sarahgray

    The hotel has not confirmed they sent the letter. DPD told me that attendees and hotel staff are the only ones who can report these supposed threats.
    The letter that was posted has since been removed from the AVfM website.

  • Omni

    I’m sorry to say she is seriously that eager to find fault.

    Why is it that so many people rely on the fact that police haven’t admitted to this? Could it be the police don’t want to comment on an ongoing investigation? I mean it isn’t like police have ever done something like that before, oh wait….lol

    The hotel could simply be a case of not wanting to alarm guests. The situation is being handled, more security, and it can be reasonably assumed they feel this takes care of it. Why alarm potential guests in that scenario?

  • Omni

    Oh no a business that relies on customer service for sales won’t say they sent a letter that could cause fear and panic. Gee I wonder why they would do that? It isn’t like they could feel the situation is being handled adequately because there is now going to be more security or something like that. DPD told you that? That is some damning evidence, for sure. Oh wait that is common knowledge that doesn’t prove anything besides standard operating procedure for police.
    The letter was removed because the hotel requested it. Could it be they asked for that to happen because they don’t want to cause a panic? The simplest solution is usually the right one.

  • sarahgray

    Right, if the threats were real, you would think *someone* would have reported them to the police.

  • driversuz

    You’re trying so hard. If you spent half of that effort reading at AVfM, you’d have nothing left to say.

    Unless you are lying intentionally.

  • driversuz

    I wonder how many destitute and homeless men Sarah is going to step over on her “march” from the nice clean park to the nice clean hotel, while railing against men’s human rights.

    Oh wait, they shoo those scary men out of downtown, don’t they, so delicate flowers like Sarah don’t have to notice them.

  • driversuz

    Every day. It’s especially great when they do it in public. We are witnessing the decline of a fascist movement, and its pathetic desperation to cling to relevance.

  • Omni

    Or could it be they don’t want to comment on an ongoing investigation? I mean it isn’t like they don’t that sort of thing…..oh wait, yes they do to the point of not lying about an investigation going on. If the threats came from another state even that requires more cooperation between police which makes it take longer to process. You are jumping to conclusions with no evidence.

  • sarahgray

    I’m not lying about anything. The police told the Free Press that there have been no reports of threats.

  • sarahgray

    The hotel management and owner denying threats were made, and the police confirming no reports of threats have been made seems like evidence to me.

    Meanwhile AVfM is falsly accusing specific people of making the supposed threats with even less evidence.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    As Usual – and real world evidence of aggression, threat or violence coming from feminists and their associates has to just be ignored. If they should even acknowledge that such aggression, violence, misconduct is innate and within Feminism it blows the whole argument that men Made Us DO It out of the water and The Patriarchy model collapses.

    Denial with projection upon any and all others is the mind set and pattern of conduct. It’s highly defended and automatic with lack of cognition. It is the same defensive mind set observed in cults and new religious movements.

    Asking a Feminist to acknowledge personal responsibility for aggression, violence, abuse they perpetrate is like asking a Turkey to Donate Bodily to a Thanks Giving Feast.

    In the same vein I look at the issue of females sexually abusing children ( with many organisations highlighting that the percentage of paedophiles that are female is 40% plus) and observation made in 1994 by Val Young -

    “Female sexual abuse is a difficult subject for a feminist to discuss objectively. Any purposeful writing needs to acknowledge the points of View of survivors. therapists, and, most importantly, the children being abused, and to propose ways of moving forward.

    While there are reasons why feminists limit discussions on the subject of women abusers, these reasons are valid only to feminism. It seems we are willing to go only so far in acknowledging the negative characteristics of women and always put them into the context of patriarchal oppression.”

    Title: Female Sexual Abuse of Children,
    Editor: Michele Elliott
    Publisher: Guilford Press, 1994

    Page 100.

    The feminist mid set of women have no agency or responsibility for their own negative conduct is amazing in that it infantalises women and promotes lower social states and responsibility, always projecting a external view and manipulation by the supposed Patriarchy and All Men.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    The letter was made private by AvFM at the request of the Hotel. It is still on the server, just not accessible.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    @Sarahgray – I do grasp your need for validation is high (including the need to conspiracy theorise given the void of facts and the need to sound off in the echo chamber that the void allows) – but, are you also of the view that the suddenly missing web content generated by a certain group on face book and their associates … well … are you indicating that AvFM and MRAs in general have the capacity to make Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo and even Google remove content when the content has come to the attention of Law Enforcement as to threats of violence and incitement to violence?

    It’s far more likely that the reckless and stupid activity of a small group of socially inept morons was seen as inciting potential copycat activity linked to recent events in California. Thank heavens some grasp human behaviour, psychology and criminal profiling, cos you and friends are dangerous in your ignorance and moral certitude that fails to exceed even the most basic levels of common sense.

    Go back to Roswell and The Moon Landings – you will find more supporters.

  • Omni

    That in no way discredits what I had said. If there is an ongoing investigation it is up to the police’s discretion what is let out to the public. They will even lie about it if it is necessary. The hotel may not be telling people to not cause a panic, over something that they feel is being handled appropriately. Like I said you are jumping to conclusions with no proof.
    So let me let you in on a little tip: proof by assertion is a fallacy. No matter how many times you repeat the same thing it doesn’t make it true. I also know you are one of the ones that are protesting the Men’s Rights Convention. This gives you motive in order to lie and distort the truth in order to gain what you want. Your case is weak and you have a reason to lie. None of this speaks to your telling the truth. Although I don’t doubt you honestly believe it, just don’t be surprised when others don’t.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    The conference is far wider ranging in subjects and areas than some wish to have people realise , but I have to admit that I am disappointed that two areas are not on the agenda.

    The First is how institutions are blind to the damage they cause – as exemplified by the conduct of the UN from the 1960′s until their deficits and negation of the Human Rights of men was effectively stopped by the G8 in April 2013.

    The second is that there is no specific content that addresses the issue of The MHRA movement not recognising their own victories and history in the same vein as early feminists and black activists failed to preserve and recognise their own history and success. Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    @Sarahgray – You keep making amazing pronouncements as to who knows what – who has said what – who has access to what – It’s amazing the levels of certainty that you use. I’m obliged that you are in fact a high level security operative who has access to any and all parties via any and all systems, modes of interrogation and can leap over legal obstacles such as a Bill Of Rights, Private Contract, Data Security and even Privacy and Confidentiality due to the empowerment you have above any and all others. You really must be one of the most highly endowed security operatives globally. It’s amazing to see you so openly spilling the beans on the net.

    So come – on spill the really big beans – if you are so omnipotent and have such amazing powers – tell the world “Who Framed Roger Rabbit”? You Know You Want To.

  • sarahgray

    What suddenly missing web content?

  • sarahgray

    Somehow I doubt the police would lie to the Free Press about whether threats had been reported, especially since the spokesperson remarked that it is “unusual” for death threats to not be reported by the hotel.
    One would also think that the desk management at the hotel would have direct knowledge of the threats and not deny them completely, assuring callers that they would know if threats were made or a letter regarding threats was sent.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com/ DannyboyCdnMra

    Sarah why do I see your name all over every protest of this event?
    Do you have daddy issues? Did some boyfriend hurt you in that past? Did some male teacher give you an f in college?
    If so I’m sorry.
    Now kindly please stop with your lies.
    Stop with your misandry.
    Stop with the hate.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com/ DannyboyCdnMra

    You do realize police withhold information to help with their investigation right?
    They could be withholding the information from you to see if you made the threats.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com/ DannyboyCdnMra

    Dear god your grasping at straws.
    Get some help with your fixation.

  • Paul Johnson

    rather taking the lack of evidence as evidence of lack.

  • http://batman-news.com MGTOW-man

    Testing.

  • sarahgray

    If they were investigating, and the threats are actually real, then they would know I didn’t make them.
    I seriously doubt the police would have a spokesperson lie to the Free Press and say it is “unusual” that there have been no threats reported if indeed threats have been made.

  • iggy

    Egg on your face is an expression, not a threat. This is paranoia and you are using dishonest false threat narrative to try to discredit those who don’t share your view. The only reported indication of any threats against hotel staff was posted based on a couriered letter to A Voice for Men from the Doubletree Hilton, asking for additional security and insurance. The insurance and security will be put in place, and the conference will continue.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    When it comes to Sarah I’m sure that she will be that last one to leave – and out of shear cussedness she will leave the lights on as a Passive Aggressive ploy to show her rectitude! P¬))

  • Omni

    You are more than welcome to doubt whatever you like. But it has happened before and it will happen again, as such what you say doesn’t discredit those possibilities. Your assertion that what you say is the only possibility is what I take issue with. You are choosing the conclusion you want to happen and trying to force evidence, namely the lack of evidence as your proof, to fit it. The evidence does not support that to be the only conclusion that can be drawn as I have demonstrated.
    But for both of those entities it can be seen as a way to reduce any possible panic. Death threats and threats of violence are used everyday but most are never acted upon. This is reason enough to not want to cause undue stress on people. Police still tend to take them seriously until they are proven otherwise and why aggravate the public until it is known for sure? They have nothing to gain about announcing it happened as there isn’t exactly a witness that can come forward. The hotel also has nothing to gain from announcing it happening, only a loss of possible business if they do. Which the hotel requesting the letter be taken down, they didn’t demand or threaten to sue to force it down, makes it more likely to represent what I believe to happen.

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    Oh Lord this is pure G.O.L.D. The more they protest, the more media avfm gets. The more media avfm gets, the more the issues get a fair scrutiny. And the more that happens, the more feminism dies. WIN.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    “sarahgray to Incubus”
    “Then they should report the threats or at least confirm that they sent the letter.”
    The sense of entitlement show by this Sarah Gray character to other people’s business is quite amazing. So she believes that Doubleday Hilton owe her and her associates proof of a sensitive business matter dealing in security, contract, employee safety, policing and even federal law enforcement?
    Does the level of entitlement and the need to have fingers in other people’s lives and business know no bounds of such people?
    If a child (read infant) was doing it they would be called brat – but as it’s a supposedly adult, grown and mature women such labels don’t apply – except where the adult has not developed cognitively and emotionally beyond the age of a 5/6 year old child and shows all the foundations of disordered cognition and personality.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    @Sarahgray The letter is no longer visible on the AvFM servers as request has been made for it to be made private under contract. There is nothing fishy or odd in that, unless you lack the capacity to deal professionally in business and work co-operatively with multiple parties in resolution of problems caused by the mischievous conduct of facebook idiots. You seem to prefer conspiracy and invention over pragmatism in real world events.

    The world is evidently far bigger and more complex that is dreamt of in your philosophy. It must be so nice for you be so unshackled by reality and complexity.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    @Sarahgray – and please pray tell all why you believe that you and others are entitled to security and law enforcement information upon demand?

    Depending upon matters and levels of threat law enforcement will not make any positive comment as to the matter even existing whilst investigations progress. Your demanding sense of entitlement to other people’s business is aberrant.

  • driversuz

    “The sooner we speak, the sooner you can prove us wrong…or try to…which that failure is exactly why they are afraid.”

    “The sooner we speak, the sooner you can prove us wrong…or try to…which that failure is exactly why they are afraid.”

    “The sooner we speak, the sooner you can prove us wrong…or try to…which that failure is exactly why they are afraid.”

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    So you admit not being up to speed and aware of the subject.

    How long have been out of the loop?

  • driversuz

    The only accusations made by AVfM, have been thoroughly documented.

  • driversuz

    Nah, she’s just a typical privileged middle class girl who has never had to face the word “no.”

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    It is so fascinating that you keep hanging your desperately shaggy hat on the single peg of “a police spokesperson”. DPD is not the only avenue to report crime, and certain crime does not fall under the jurisdiction of DPD.

    Much crime is at the federal level and gets reported to The FBI – or even Homeland Security. Do you have reports form their press offices as to what may and may not be known to them?

    When you have a comprehensive Tripod to hang that hat upon you may have some credibility, but presently you show all the stability of one legged milking stool.

  • driversuz

    but but but, the feminists have indoctrinated her to believe that there’s a rapist behind every blade of grass! She lives her entire life in fear; How can she NOT take every possible phrase as a personal threat to her safety?

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    I’m sorry driversuz, I do have to be scrupulous with claims made, and as such I am yet to see and proof of middle class being an issue, unless you can point me to some valley girl examples and gagging with spoons.

  • driversuz

    :O
    You just challenged the words of a WOMAN!

    More of that pervasive mizojuhneee! In fact, I feel that I’ve been assaulted with a brick of logic. Ouch!

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    If I was a conspiracy theorist I would postulate and then loudly claim that the likes of SarahGray are in fact false flagged AvFM moles who have been hiding within the Extreme Feminist Community for years just waiting for an opportunity to destroy the entirety of feminism from within. It couldn’t be a conspiracy theory, it all just looks so plausible that it has to be true.

    If you have the necessary skills in behavioural analysis you do recognise that SarahGray is of course non other the Overlord Paul Elam – and as for Dean Esmay, he was last seen masquerading as a cross between Germaine Greer and Gloria Steinem, draped in woozles and drunkenly quoting false statistics. At the AvFM Conference in Detroit they are also having a secret party night where everyone has to come in fancy dress as Naomi Wolf – Warren Farrel as sole judge – the prize will be a publishing deal with a major children’s publishing house.

    You couldn’t make it, could you?

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    @driversuz – sorry that was not a brick only a bathroom tile. Do you need a Brick of Logic?

    I’m more organic in my constructions using more environmentally friendly materials – such a boulders, lumps of granite and even adobe/cob/earth. The last material is actually perfect for dealing with so much feminist rhetoric – there is an abundance of bull shit to add to the cohesive qualities as a building material and of course as soon as you contradict the darlings they go into fire breathing dragon mode which just speeds up the curing process, strengthens the material and shortens construction time. It is funny watching so many assist so willingly in the construction of their own Mausoleum – and free of charge too!

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    The onging pattern of hyperbole, misinformation and conspiracy theorising that surrounds events reminds me of what Gloria Stymied (AKA Jennifer Baumgardner) called “Battered Women’s Movement Syndrome” – it “occurs when feminists have grown so exhausted and defensive from years of dyke-baiting, internalized homophobia, Pat Robertson, and reading that they are dead in Time magazine, that they stop telling the truth in order to ‘protect feminism.”.

    Just as Ms Magazine Imploded under the internal hyperbole and fantasy lead by Steinem, feminism in general dances to the same precipice and happily throws itself over.

  • http://www.masculinelady.wordpress.com masculine_lady

    It’s pretty sloppy reporting to not call the hotel and/or the Detroit PD to verify the threats. Which, by the way, ANYONE can do.

  • visionary_23

    Uh, yea, I’d expect them not to confirm or deny anything to you. The conference has nothing to do with you. If anything, they have no idea if you, a random individual who apparently has an axe to grind against people peacefully gathering and talking about Men’s Issues, were PART of the possible threat.

    Apologies if that doesn’t jive with your solipsism.

  • visionary_23

    If they were investigating, and the threats are actually real, then they would know I didn’t make them.

    Uh, that’s not a logical statement. They might have no idea who made them.

    I seriously doubt the police would have a spokesperson lie to the Free Press and say it is “unusual” that there have been no threats reported if indeed threats have been made.

    Again, the police CONSTANTLY withhold information to the press, and even engage in deception. Unless you believe this is the first time those two things have happened, in which case, please find my beach front Kansas property for sale and buy.

  • Mike Hunt

    “The First is how institutions are blind to the damage they cause – as
    exemplified by the conduct of the UN from the 1960′s until their
    deficits and negation of the Human Rights of men was effectively stopped
    by the G8 in April 2013.”

    I’d like to know more about this, can you direct me to a relevant primer on this topic?

  • sarahgray

    I would expect them and the police to not lie to the media.

  • Mike Hunt

    Liars all around, eh, Sarah?

    ROTFLMAO.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    @SarahGray – Boy Oh Boy! You do realise that you only make yourself look truly foolish and manipulative, in childish and immature ways, when you take the idiom of having egg on ones face and claim it’s a threat for you to have eggs thrown at you and as a threat of actual (Need For Drama) Physical Violence?

    Of course some may FEEL that personal embarrassment (emotional state) is a physical threat – but that is a massive personal over reach within your reality and nothing to do with others. This is the same pattern all too often visible across feminism, even exemplified under the distortion and bastardisation of Rape Culture to mean “He looked at me – I felt a negative emotional state QED HE raped me!”. The repeated trivialisation of physical threat to being supposedly equivalent to low grade emotional response is a hall mark of feminism.

    Your emotional reactions do not mean physical threat, and if you have become programmed to believe that you need professional help form those experienced in dealing with those recovering from Cult indoctrination and who have become detached form reality due to coercive control.

    You seem to desperately need conflict (even invented and false types) for personal validation. You evidently have a high maintenance world view that so many will find hard to deal with. Why not attempt adult and rational dialogue? Unfortunately, I fear you are so addicted to Drama, Cortisol and Adrenaline that you will need medication to improve. That same Addiction Triangle is recognised as making DV survivors search out new partners and situations where they can be abused over again to meet the addiction.

    In the interim I would recommend you read Steven Hassan’s new book “Freedom of Mind” which provides the knowledge and awareness needed to help yourself and loved ones avoid or breakaway from dangerous people and situations. It has proved most helpful to many dealing with false beliefs and recovery from coercive control and false realities.

    Less egg on face would suite you well, but only if you have the capacity to grasp just how unbalanced your views are and the help open to you. I fear, however that your addiction to Drama, Cortisol and Adrenaline is one that you are simply unwilling to give up.

  • Mike Hunt

    Again, why would the hotel confirm to anyone that they sent a letter to a third party about a sensitive security matter. That would just be bad business.

    But I know, feminists don’t really do logic, so in this case I will forgive your stupidity.

  • Mike Hunt

    And I would expect the media not to lie. Unfortunately, real life rarely lives up to my expectations.

  • Mike Hunt

    “If they were investigating, and the threats are actually real, then they would know I didn’t make them.”

    Hold up, did someone accuse *you* personally of making the threats? Wow. Sounds like a guilty conscience to me.

  • Mike Hunt

    I saw the threats on the Facebook page myself, and I have screenshots. Of course the page is gone now because threatening violence is against the Facebook TOS, but the threats live on in screenshot form. Forever.

  • susanelizabeth

    AFVM claimed to have a letter from the hotel demanding they provide security for their conference,in fact they placed a copy of the alleged letter from the hotel on their website.It took only a few minutes to scrub the letter from their Facebook page once people started asking why the letter wasn’t on hotel letterhead ,and now claim they it was a hotel “informant” who told them of the death threats.So which is it? Do they have a letter from the Hotel or not?

  • Mike Hunt

    You aren’t very bright. You obviously subscribe to the belief that if you keep repeating the same lie long enough it will become true. Understandable, as that tactic has worked for feminazis in the past, as it did for the original Nazis.

    But no longer.

    Tootles.

  • Mike Hunt

    “The threat to throw eggs at me.”

    Bwahahahahahah, it’s just too perfect.

    “You’ll have egg on your face”

    Feminist translation: “I am going to throw eggs at you, and murder and rape your with eggs!”

    Logicz0rz

  • Mike Hunt

    Forgery is a crime. Are you really suggesting the event organizers are stupid enough to jeopardize everything they have worked for by committing forgery?

    You really are desperate, aren’t you?

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    It’s the usual pattern of either deliberate distortion or learned helplessness – It’s as simple as 1-2-3

    1) I Feel therefore I make it 2) a Physical issue which I insist is imposed upon me and which IO have zero responsibility for and so I am empowered to 3) claim Victim-hood.

    It’s been a common pattern recorded for millennia and even linked to claims of suffering external demonic attack. It even features in the sleep disturbance know as Sleep Paralysis – Hypnogogia.

    I keep wondering just how much of the feminist Hyperbole and (Yes I will Use The Word) Hysteria is simply biological and genetic expression which has been rationalised into abstract and focused abuse? The rational is that the individuals perceptions and beliefs can’t be wrong, so anything which challenges then has to be an external force and physical threat. The person can’t accept they could be wrong so they invent being wronged to account for it.

    There is no coincidence in the issues of coercive control and how vulnerable persons are first separated from “Good Friends” and then introduced to a New Reality from their “New Friends”. That so many Radical Feminists emerge in their first year of college and higher eduction speaks volumes as to the need for friendship and the ability for that need to be manipulated – both unwittingly and deliberately.

    As if often said in UK Universities, you spend your first year making friends and the rest of your university career getting rid of them.

  • susanelizabeth

    Seriously? You have no problem with them scrubbing the alleged letter from their Facebook page n people started questioning the letter? So far,the only “proof” I’ve seen as to the hotel requesting the extra security is from AVFM.Do you have a link to the actual hotel demanding security? By the way,your faux outrage isn’t going to stop anyone from asking obvious questions.

  • visionary_23

    Uh, what do you mean by “scrub”? They were requested to take down the letter as a matter of confidentiality between them and the hotel.

    As an aside, “facebook people” have asked AVFM to take down quite a bit in the past. They’ve never done so. It’s highly UNLIKELY that bigoted “facebook people” are the impetus for anything now.

    Try again.

  • Mike Hunt

    I’m not outraged. I am unbelievably happy.

    Feminists are their own worst enemy, and I am very much enjoying this train wreck.

  • visionary_23

    The police have no such obligation to provide information through the media. They have no such obligation NOT to engage in any form of deception so as to reduce the amount of public threat that exists from any cause.

    And nobody has any obligation to confirm or deny anything to you on this matter.

    So I’m not certain what your point is.

  • Mike Hunt

    If it looks like duck and walks like a duck it’s probably just another lying feminist:
    twitter . com / EOckerman

  • susanelizabeth

    Sure they were “requested”. The letter they put on Facebook was not written on hotel letterhead or any letterhead for that matter,that would be very odd behavior for a hotel’s legal department.

  • visionary_23

    Based on what? Your thorough expertise on how threats are dealt with to hotels and groups?

  • Mike Hunt

    It was indeed on Hotel letterhead. Why do you just make stuff up? Is that really the best you can do?

    So SAD. :-)

  • Mike Hunt

    Here’s an example of what sane people say about this conference:

    “I look forward to hearing and meeting you and the others Paul. I got
    ‘into’ feminism around 1971 or 72, during my first year of university,
    as a fresh faced 18 year old, and was ‘out’ of it, by 1974. I felt kind
    of ‘dumb’ that it took me two years to figure it out. I’ve been ready
    for this movement for 40 years. Regards, Don Lofendale”

  • Masta solanas

    There was a name of a representative of the Doubletree staff at the bottom of the letter, but AVfM blotted it out. The letter was sent to Dean Esmay’s address which I don’t think is readily public information but could be.

    Something is amiss, and there are a few things that could have happened. Someone on Doubletree staff fabricated the threats, or even an outside entity pretending to be the Doubletree did and authored the letter. Doubletree received the threats, but didn’t report them to police, and for PR reasons are denying the threats happened despite requesting off duty cops to moonlight at the conference. Doubletree fabricated threats in hope the exorbitant security fee would prevent the conference from happening to prevent bad press. The Detroit police know and are investigating the threats, but must keep this information on the downlow to not spook the potential suspects who will destroy evidence if they know they’re being investigated.

    If you casually call the Doubletree and ask them if they are receiving threats, they will tell you nothing – it would scare potential customers away.

    Given the amount of lies and deception directed towards AVfM and the Men’s Rights Movement concerning the Elliot Rodgers fiasco, I am very reluctant to accuse AVfM of fabricating the letter when we are in the midst of some very evil duplicitous people.

    Given the statements alluding to violence in the anti-men’s rights conference Facebook group, and a history of gender ideologues making similiar threats of violence (Pizzey, Murray Straus, etc…), feminists are very very suspect in this, but there is no physical evidence to implicate them just yet.

  • Mike Hunt

    Just in case Sarah edits her very suspiciously guilty sounding comment.

  • Incubus

    It was on Hilton letterhead. And as others have pointed out, they were requested to remove it. I and others have written about this. I don’t think you’ve made any effort to get information from the sources.

  • DavidicLineage

    You mean *you* would think. We wouldn’t. We have some clue how the industry works and have heard the word discretion used without the word viewer’s before.

  • sarahgray

    Why don’t you want to find out who is making the threats, if they exist at all?

  • Incubus

    Well, to be fair, if this situation were reversed and it was feminists claiming they received threats from MRAs that they didn’t report, we would probably be saying the same thing Sarah is saying now. I don’t think she should be faulted for that, but I do think there’s a logical fallacy in what she’s implying.

    Sarah seems to be insinuating that because the newspaper reported that the police said no one had reported it to them, that means it’s still the case. But in fact, the newspaper also reports that the police say they will be looking into it now that they know. That’s one of the reasons I haven’t reported it to them myself. The other reason is because I don’t want to overstep Paul or any of the other organizers in what they’re doing. And furthermore, this has been an ongoing issue of discussion for us since we learned the Hilton hadn’t reported the threats.

    When AVFM first received the letter, I believe some of us did raise this issue in the comments section, but it was never addressed, as everyone on AVFM staff was scrambling to put together the fundraiser and figure out how muchwe would need to raise. It has subsequently come out that AVFM staff had all assumed the Hilton had already reported the threats, and that they were concerned when they found out that wasn’t the case. Furthermore, JB has indicated that AVFM staff are now scrambling to secure all the requirements set forth in the letter, so it’s unlikely they would be talking with the Hilton or police about this until after that’s done. And given that we’ll probably have to face more backlash from protesters in the coming days that we’ll have to respond to, it isn’t clear when this is going to happen.

    Also, I would think the entity receiving the threats would be the best one to report them. The Hilton can report the time the threats were received, what was said, and turn over phone records that would assist in determining who did this. All of us think the Hilton should do this, and we’re disappointed that it hasn’t. The only thing the rest of us can tell the police is what was said in the letter.

  • Mike Hunt

    We do. Obviously we do. DUH.

  • sarahgray

    Well, then, why is no one reporting it to the police?
    The reporter could not report the threats to police any more than I can, because we are not involved parties.

  • Mike Hunt

    It is the hotel that claims they have been threatened, thus the hotel must be the ones to report. This is not hard to understand for most people with a functioning brain.

  • sarahgray

    That’s not what aAVfM and the Detroit Police Department say.

  • wgone

    Has anyone seen mike hunt?… Has anyone seen mike hunt?

    Now to the feminists out there – repeat the above in public at the top of your voices!

  • Mike Hunt

    What’s really matters is what the fox says though. What does the fox say about all of this?

  • GeorgeOlduvai

    The letter was removed at the request of the Doubletree Hilton; apparently there’s something in the contract between AVfM and the hotel.

  • sarahgray

    Actually, the statement he made *could * be taken as a threat, and was clearly meant in that capacity.

  • sarahgray

    Really? They have a clause in their contract that specified letters about death threats may not be shared with the public?

  • politicalcynic

    So in the name of equality, feminists, without anything other than their ideology, boldly march forth to silence others.

    I wonder whatever happened to the feminists who said that free speech was a fundamental human right? I find it terribly sad how far feminism has fallen.

  • politicalcynic

    Did you bother to read the letter from Hilton? They were quite clear on the subject when they demanded AVFM pay for full time off duty police officers 24/7.

    Have you read some of what’s been posted here, on Facebook and on Twitter about the conference?

    Sticking your fingers in your own ears and refusing to listen while shouting “la la la I can’t hear you” isn’t a very good argument….

  • politicalcynic

    Oh? Do you hold women to the same standard? Somehow I doubt it when everything is now postured as a threat to “women”-including, I might add, someone killing multiple MEN.

  • politicalcynic

    YOU’RE on a roll here Suz! ROFL

  • politicalcynic

    LOGIC. Oh NOES…

  • https://twitter.com/malcolmingabout Malcolm H. Johnston

    Was it?

  • Bluedrgn

    Maybe they reported the threat to the FBI or the DHS instead? Is the local police department really the best equipped to handle domestic terrorism?

  • sarahgray

    There is no evidence that tthreats were made at all, let alone that Hilton sent that letter or is requiring extra security.
    I find it hard to believe Hilton sent six copies of said letter by courier instead of making a phone call.

  • sarahgray

    Wait, I thought the new story was that they were not sent by mail, but hand delivered?

  • Mike Hunt

    Yes, sure it could be taken as a threat. By crazy people.

    *Chuckles*.

    Right on script.

  • sarahgray

    I suppose those agencies can be contacted to inquire whether they are investigating.

  • Tom Jones

    You, Madam, are a horrible human being. Only in your twisted narrow mind could that statement ever, EVER, be taken as a threat. I remind you, and all people of your ilk, that history is watching every despicable move you make! Your hate-filled terrorist tactics will backfire and very soon, the World will see what you’re all about. Men are finding their voice and public opinion will turn away from the unfairness of radical Feminism. You see, men only want fairness, while Feminists demand unjust, special privilege. Your days of unchallenged Media control of public opinion are over… Now, in your juvenile mind, you’ll somehow find a threat in what I wrote as well; but, let me assure you, that I and this Men’s Movement are non-violent. We understand that most people want fairness. It’s only a small group of radicals like you who are the violent ones. Let freedom reign from every valley and mountain top!

  • sarahgray

    Just like your profile picture is a threat.
    Pretty crazy to harass someone like that.

  • Mike Hunt

    Please explain how my profile picture is a threat. Honestly, I am very curious to hear the feminist “logic” on this one.

    LMAO.

    Please don’t ever stop proving my points.

  • sarahgray

    Lol. Pointing out threats of assault is not terroristic behavior.

  • Tom Jones

    Ha, continue to play your petty games. They will not work. Men are committed to tell the truth about the fabricated numbers behind the “rape culture”, and alimony, and child custody. It must be very difficult for you to witness the dismantling of Feminism, but the truth always hurts.

  • Tom Jones

    OMG, this person must have real mental problems. Imagine being married to this stalker! I’ll bet her GF is afraid to leave her, because of what she might resort too.

  • Mike Hunt

    Man, you are going to have to much cupcake frosting on your face, it’s not even going to be funny. well, actually it will be funny.

    ^^^^^^Look up there, I just threatened to throw cupcakes at sarahgrey.

  • Susie Parker

    I saw the letter, I saw the letterhead. Didn’t YOU see the letter, or are you shooting your mouth off because “SOMEbody said so”?

  • Susie Parker

    And what good would that have done, masculine?

    “Nuh-uh, nuh-uh you didn’t REALLY get death threats, and I’m not gonna pay for security”?

    Seriously? How old are you?

  • sarahgray

    There is nothing keeping men from marrying women who make more money then them if they are worried about paying alimony in the event of a divorce.
    Just as men are totally capable of doing half the parenting from the get-go.

  • sarahgray

    You really shouldn’t threaten people.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    Mike – I have responded in full to your request for a Primer, but it seems that the use of hyper-links has pushed the post into moderation. It will be an interesting test of the moderation policy round here to see who quickly it is made public.

    In the mean time I suggest you google the following to find the master primer on the subject and use the quotes:

    “”12 Misandry in law Both national and international legal systems have been found to manifest misandry.”

    Hope that helps.

    Also Google “Will Storr”+”rape” and look up aljazeera “the rape of men” 2011 – they all feed into the 40 year history of institutional failure by the UN.

  • visionary_23

    Do you even know what certified mail means?

  • visionary_23

    I’m pretty sure they have a clause that says that personal correspondence can’t become public.

    Again, this isn’t hard to understand.

  • https://twitter.com/malcolmingabout Malcolm H. Johnston

    You should report me to the police then,

  • sarahgray

    Were they sent by certified mail or by courier?

  • sarahgray

    If that is the case, why did they share the letter?

  • Grey Knight

    I was just wondering, would you have the same attitude of doubt to a rape accusation?

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    “I wonder whatever happened to the feminists who said that free speech was a fundamental human right?”

    I believe the three of them retired in 1848, the week before The Seneca Falls Convention. It’s all be down hill since then! P¬))

  • http://www.mancheeze.wordpress.com Joy

    This is pure GOLD from an MRA from AVFM. Not only are you calling women ‘children’ but you’re screeching that men don’t have rights, which they do. Feminists don’t like misogynist hate movements and that’s what you are. Your very own words display it nicely.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    I see that you work to expand the delusions and misinformation by implying that The Doubletree Detroit has it’s own legal department. Why do you and your associates keep expanding the web of delusion?

    Maybe if you had real world commercial experience you would know that Managers are trained to a specified level in contact management and law, and activating a specific clause in contract does not require the intervention of Legal Eagles and a whole legal department. You sound like a litigation happy professional divorcée – before common sense, call your lawyer and demand unreality.

  • Grey Knight

    If quote mining is all you got, have at it. There’s an old adage about glass houses that applies.

  • Teflon Expat

    Ouch

  • sarahgray

    Unlike a rape accusation, there are multiple witnesses to this supposed crime.

    This is really a case of women being falsely accused of making threats, and the threats have not even been verified as having been made.

  • Teflon Expat

    Say it was proved to be all fabricated. Aside from the immediate relief of what is apparently gut-wrenching frustration and helplessness…what are you gonna do about it?

  • Grey Knight

    No, I am calling out you cognitive reaoning. If you keep up the doubting attitude. In sexual assault cases for colleges it requires very little proof to be expelled and presumed guilty. You would champion the cause for the accused then so thanks for that, I guess. As far as the proof of threat, I don’t hate you for doubting, I was only curious whether or not you would experience cognitive dissonance due to your ideology or whether you will always be sceptical.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    You find it hard to believe? Let me see – The Hotel is obliged under contract to notify all named parties to the contract in writting – and because the Hotel wants business and realises that time is short they enclose extra copies of said letter to allow then to be sent haste post hast to insurers etc so that the contractual terms can be met. It’s called professional courtesy and facilitation.

    On top of that Doubletree/Hilton did make a Phone Call – to the Detroit Police Dept – to facilitate the contracting of security, which is most rational as the Hotel has the relevant contacts, is in Detroit, other people are not and so as a professional courtesy it makes sense for the Hotel of give a valid entrée to contracting.

    It also reduces the risk to the hotel of losing a valuable contract for an event. Let me just check – venue hire $10,000+ – delegate accommodation in excess of $120000 – plus don’t forget expenditure by delegates on food and drink. Maybe just Maybe the hotel may have even a smidgen of a financial incentive to make things go ahead smoothly? Say $200,000 reasons? Would that even occur to you due to your Drama Addiction?

    You missed out that prior to the arrival of any physical documents by courier, copies were dispatched by email…. and you “”Assume”” that in relation to the emails no phone calls were made! Assume away and make and ass of you but don’t be surprised if others refuse to join you.

    Is it that you are institutionally deaf and unable to grasp reality or are you just Both Industrially and linguistically obtuse to the point that no light can penetrate the angle between your ears? The Conspiracy Theorising exceeds all other attempts I have seen and even makes the 9/11 junkets look plausible. You are a credit to your peers and evidently need to have your skill set used extensively in event organisation and management …. please!

    You are one of the greatest allies to The MHRA, so please act quickly and use your ability to sabotage feminist reality in support of desperate men. You know you want to – you keep showing so publicly just where your skill set is best applied for the benefit of all mankind.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    They made a mistake and when the hotel said it was wrong they acted to address the mistake. What do you do when you make a mistake and it’s highlighted to you with a request for action?

    Let me guess – you claim Victim Status and claim oppression by the big bad patriarchy which has told you that you flunked your math homework?

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    Your implication that both the hotel and police have lied is your own fantasy and invention. You do seem to have an overly active imagination that looses track of itself frequently. Have you tried post-it notes to improve coherency, memory retention and rational ability to communicate ?

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    You are so sure of matters, I am obliged to conclude that you have extensive experience in commercial public venues of security and how it operates – how matters are handed through specific channels and pursued under specific protocols. You do have real world experience in the field Don’t you, given the supposed certainty with which you make pronouncements about events that you are not even a party to. You are making well informed professional guesses aren’t you and not just spouting tosh in an attempt to fill the echo chamber you live within?

  • visionary_23

    Because perhaps they were initially unaware of that clause? And once made aware, they took it down?

    Again, this isn’t hard.

  • visionary_23

    Carrier pigeon.

  • sarahgray

    I suppose *I* can’t do anything about the consequences of defrauding people of tens of thousands of dollars.

  • sarahgray

    Well, in this case, there are witnesses to the supposed crime who are not coming forward.

  • sarahgray

    How were these letters sent, exactly?

    If they called about security, why would they not report death threats?

  • Teflon Expat

    That is your genuine concern?

  • sarahgray

    Well, my personal opinion is that neither the hotel or police are lying.

  • sarahgray

    Are you saying that reporting death threats to the proper authorities is not normal procedure?

  • sarahgray

    How would one be unaware of a clause of a contract you signed?

  • Teflon Expat

    T-36 Hours 20 Minutes until the great feminist assembly at Grand Circus Park in Detroit. Little precious time left to debunk the threats of violence and infamous hotel letter.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    I’m amazed at your Logic and reasoning which is most aptly described as the trail left by a drunken giraffe with four broken legs!

    How you get from what has been written to asking such a banal and frankly daft questions just beggars belief. Are you truly so obtuse, or is the angle of your mentality and world view so limited that you can’t recognise let alone measure your own obtuseness?

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    So why would you use the conditional previously with the implication that there is doubt as to the veracity of both hostel and police claims?

    Do you have any grasp of the English language and what words men when you use them?

  • Mike Hunt

    sarahgrey, if I ever see you I hereby threaten to pelt you with gummie bears. Yes gummie bears.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    Sorry but you are retreating into incoherency again. Try being more articulated and exact in what you write and how you ask questions – you may find it a revelation.

    If they (Who is this They Referring to?) called about security (Who Was Called), why would they (Who is this They Referring to?) not report death threats?

    You may need to consider that just because a thought is in your head it is not accessible to others unless you use basic communication techniques and make it accessible for others to grasp and respond to. Clairvoyance is not a factor of the internet – though you seem to have that ability in excess, given how you seem to believe you know everyone else’s business in detail and have made such pronouncements upon it so widely.

    I’m sure that Richard Dworkin would welcome the opportunity to test and verify the actual existence of your self relevant clairvoyance.

  • Teflon Expat

    The media is gearing up for this showdown, no matter if its gummy bears or face pies. If the feminists threats and infamous hotel letter are no rebuked, then the feminist will not want the press anywhere near them.

  • sarahgray

    That, and the false allegations of threats directed towards groups and individuals.

  • visionary_23

    Is that a serious question?

  • sarahgray

    It’s “daft” to assume death threats would be reported to authorities?

  • Mike Hunt

    What’s fascinating is that you believe that law enforcement agencies are the habit of disclosing information about investigations to just anyone who calls them up and asks.

    It’s bizarre that you think that’s how it works.

  • Teflon Expat

    You want the MRAs to not be cheated out of money…and you want a retraction of allegations because such allegations harmed what groups and which individuals exactly?

  • Mike Hunt

    How many online accounts do you have? Facebook, Twitter? Gmail? Tumblr is a given so I won’t even ask about that.

    Would you care to estimate how many clauses there are in the contracts you signed with these various parties that you are unaware of?

    My guess would be ALL of them. Unless you mean to tell me you read all of those contracts all the way through and understood every last word. Because if you tell me that I’ll know what I already know: you are a liar.

  • Teflon Expat

    Only if the assumption originated from a daft-minded person

  • visionary_23

    She’s obviously being obtuse but considering she’s a misandric bigot, it’s fun to have her ask idiotic questions as through they were furthering a point of hers.

    Socrates, she is not.

  • Mike Hunt

    Tee hee. This is fun.

  • Mike Hunt

    She’s more like Play-do.

  • sarahgray

    I never said I doubted what the police and doubletree have said.
    This definitely smells, though.

  • sarahgray

    The hotel.

  • Teflon Expat

    It actually reeks…of feminist fear.

  • sarahgray

    You don’t read the contracts you sign?

  • sarahgray

    I’m sure they will be glad to know about “domestic terrorism”, if in fact it has occurred, and no one else has reported it to them yet.

  • Teflon Expat

    Define domestic terrorism

  • sarahgray

    That is what the acts described in the letter were described as in this comment page.

  • Mike Hunt

    Probably, so why are you wasting time here when there is reporting to do? Hurry up, now, run along and give them a call. While your at it make you you tell them that someone on the internet threatened to throw gummy bears and cupcakes at you, oh yeah, and eggs.

  • sarahgray

    “Bluedrgn sarahgray • 4 hours ago

    Maybe they reported the threat to the FBI or the DHS instead? Is the local police department really the best equipped to handle domestic terrorism?”

  • Teflon Expat

    Then thats what it is

  • sarahgray

    That’s a threat of assault, you know.
    so very not cool.

  • sarahgray

    Police give statements to journalists all the time.

  • sarahgray

    The groups and individuals accused of said alleged crimes on the AVfM and affiliated websites, and in this and numerous other commenting threads.

  • Teflon Expat

    Feminists chanting and beating their heads in unison with spoons while carrying signs on their way from a park to a hotel is very cool however

  • sarahgray

    I guess I’m just a nerd that I tend to actually *try* to read TOS.
    I would definitely read a contract with a hotel that I was hosting a conference at.

    I do not have a tumblr, amusingly enough.

  • Teflon Expat

    And they are HARMED by such allegations how exactly?

  • sarahgray

    fear of what?

  • Teflon Expat

    Police who care about feminists would do that. But alas, here we are

  • sarahgray

    I don’t hate men, At all.

    I’m certainly prudent enough to avoid ingesting hemlock.

  • sarahgray

    Is what a serious question?

  • Teflon Expat

    Dang.

  • Teflon Expat

    Does it matter?

  • sarahgray

    I guess if someone throws gummi bears and cupcakes at me, I’ll know who to report.

  • sarahgray

    If that is the case, then the hotel and AVfM have reported it to them, right?

    And how did they receive the letter dated the 29th and posted the 30th again?

  • sarahgray

    How are people HARMED by threats?

  • sarahgray

    Well, in this case, the police say no reports were made.

  • Teflon Expat

    You now have just under 35 and 1/2 hours to resolve this pressing mystery.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    Sarahgray says “If it was a contractual thing, why does the sister site have it up still?”

    Let me hazard a wild and totally off the wall guess – mixing up some reality, separating out hyperbole and respecting boundaries as to the autonomy on individuals – individual groups – businesses and other legally recognised unique entities…..

    Could it be that A Voice For Male Students (you call it the sister sight) is not party to any contract because it’s a separate legal entity forma Voice for men. HYOu allusion to consanguinity and genetic sharing is your invention and part of your personal and ongoing Reification fallacy issues.

    I grasp that you have real issues separating out the idea that there can be two similar organisations with similar names that are in fact legally separate and autonomous – but then again, if you had even a rudimentary grasp of such things as business and organisational management you would not need to have such banalities and basics pointed out to you.

    Do you have any other confused and contorted hair pins that need straitening out after you latest jag on the Conspirator Theory Macramé Machine – reality knotted into useless shapes whilst you wait?

  • Teflon Expat

    Who is claiming that they were threatened?

  • sarahgray

    AVfM. In the name of Doubletree.

  • Teflon Expat

    Are they taking appropriate measures to feel safe?

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    Again you display a amazing capacity to be illogical and obtuse in equal measure with both exceeding the capacity to account for either – it’s quite a feet.

    I fear that you have not been using a rabbit hole for your collapse into delusion but have actually been using a black hole. That accounts for the levels of cognitive distortion that you keep displaying and why you always seem to be beyond the event horizon and unrecoverable.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    There are two necessary parties to be named the hotel did what to who – or who did what to the hotel?

    Please deal in reality and not your idol speculation and conspiracy theorising.

  • sarahgray

    “Again you display a amazing capacity to be illogical and obtuse in equal measure with both exceeding the capacity to account for either – it’s quite a feet.”

    LOL!
    How many feet?

  • Teflon Expat

    Thats it? Well you earned one point. 322 more and you’re a winner

  • Grey Knight

    I’m going to assume he meant truth and validity of issues to be discussed in the conference.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    The only Putzo that people are predominately aware of is the pong of desperation mixed with perspiration that comes from your desperate attempts and excessive exercising of conspiracy theory to contort any possible invented facts you can create into a reality that satisfies your need for Drama.

    The effort you expend is quite impressive but deluded.

  • Grey Knight

    This is dizzying. No offense, but it’s like watching one-legged ducks swimming in a pond.

  • Mike Hunt

    What’s this? A response from sarahgrey where she doesn’t pretend not to understand what you just said?

    Well, will wonders never cease!

  • Mike Hunt

    Yes, to journalists. And have you noticed how frequently that statement is “no comment’?

  • Mike Hunt

    I do hope you are going to report it to the police.

  • Mike Hunt

    Yep. You most certainly will. Please record the conversation you have with the police about the incident, should it occur, and post a link to it here so that we may all enjoy.

  • Teflon Expat

    Its the ‘wear down feminists until they drop’ approach

  • Mike Hunt

    Here are some of the documented threats received, for those nutters who are determined to deny the existence of them: fundanything . com/en/campaigns/honey-badger-bring-it-campaign

    Sorry, you will have to copy and paste the link and remove the spaces.

  • Teflon Expat

    The nutters have reasons for denying the threats. Have they stated those reasons?

  • Mike Hunt

    Well, sarahgrey denied having made any threats, which was odd since I didn’t see anyone accuse her of making them in the first place. So I suspect it was a guilty conscience.

  • sarahgray

    This time they commented.

  • Mike Hunt

    This time? What time? Next time? Last time?

    What part of the time-space continuum are you actually on?

  • https://twitter.com/malcolmingabout Malcolm H. Johnston

    sarahgray, why do you seem to be the lone voice shouting out in the wilderness? Where are all your fellow protestors commenting on this blog post? You shouldn’t be bearing the brunt of all this eggrivation from all these eggressive MRAs all on your own.

  • Killer Truck

    Gender WAR coming!

  • Teflon Expat

    In Detroit! who knew

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    Well at leasts she has a sense of humour – or is that Hummer?

  • Weston Kaszer

    Good! I will probably contribute a couple $10 or so. There’s absolutely no reason MRA groups cannot speak out like feminist groups do. The radical notion that they are somehow terroristic is absurd and needs to be eradicated. MRAs have just as much justification to talk as feminists as each sex is equal in the eyes of the law.

  • fidelbogen

    Somebody threatened to throw eggs at you?

    You’re being funny…right?

  • fidelbogen

    Sarahgray:

    You’re clutching at straws. I wish you would have the good sense to quite while you’re behind, before you make a far bigger ass of yourself than you’ve already done.

  • fidelbogen

    Hyperbole is time-honored feminist tactics, and since the aggressor sets the terms of engagement, you haven’t got a leg to stand on here.

  • fidelbogen

    Why would the hotel lie about the threats, and why would AVFM start a fundraising campaign for expenses that it had no need to be incurring?

  • fidelbogen

    Irrelevant. A red-herring.

  • fidelbogen

    Which “specific people” is AVFM accusing of making threats? You’d best back up that statement.

  • fidelbogen

    Feminists have no moral qualms about stretching the definitions of words, but if they think they can nail somebody else for that offense, they suddenly turn into prissy little linguistic purists.

    Funny how that works.

  • fidelbogen

    I believe that you literally would do exactly that. I really do.

  • fidelbogen

    Fear of feminism’s imminent exposure and demise, maybe….?

  • fidelbogen

    What “women” have been falsely accused of anything?

    Be specific.

  • G&PT

    Funny how someone saying “you’ll have egg on your face” (a common phrase that is normally not intended or taken litterally) is a threat, but “I might get trigger happy” and other similar threats to be armed are not. Actually, I expect had he said “you’ll be embarrassed” instead, that too would be a threat, as it is a man implying something negative will happen to a woman. Given how paranoid and delusional some women are, it’s hardly surprising men see them as a threat. You don’t get much more threatening than someone who is potentially armed against threats and sees every man as a threat. “Well, he said I’d have egg on my face, so taking that as a threat of assault I pulled my gun on him and told him to get on the ground. He didn’t and just laughed. I took this as a further threat and fearing now for my life I pulled the trigger.”

  • sarahgray

    Yeah, well I didn’t say that. Perhaps you should bring it up to the person who did.

  • sarahgray

    Of course I would. throwing objects at someone is assault.

  • sarahgray

    The specific people they are accusing on their website and affiliated websites with making these supposed threats.

  • sarahgray

    Hey, if these threats were made, the people who made them should face the legal consequences.

    How did they receive the letter again?

  • sarahgray

    It’s not a red herring. There’s your solution to the supposed problem of alimony and child support.

  • sarahgray

    The hotel has denied that there were threats.

  • Diotima

    But lying has worked so well for so long because everyone knows that women don’t lie! Stop trying to spoil the feminist party!

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    Well I’m sorry to say if you want to stay next door in the feminist party that’s your choice (if you are into 70′s music, Marx as the latest have to know subject and Lasagne as the latest party trend no matter how badly made).

    Over here we are having an equal opportunity equality party – it’s great fun, rumbustious, diverse music food, clothes dance types and politics (please note religion may be best avoided). Hell, even sports fans are welcome. The only requirement for entry is a willingness to respectfully address others ideas and build on each others abilities. NO wonder feminist hate us – we are the real deal and what they have claimed to be all along. It’s like the emperors new clothes – The feminists are in the all together, But altogether, it’s altogether …..

  • Whothehell Cares

    I upvoted yours because I agree.

  • Whothehell Cares

    It sure is. Nothing would get an even greater media coverage for the conference than the excuse by media to cover a protest about the same conference. Hell its win, win, for both the conference and the media. The conference gets extra coverage and the media cut their fuel bill by covering 2 stories in the same location.
    And the protesters get shown up for being the bigots they are. Another win!

  • Whothehell Cares

    LOL. Yeh, it’s a shame aint it.

  • Teflon Expat

    This should be sent to the press in advance. Feminists are going to be assembled, outside, temporarily disguised, joyfully mocked and systematically exposed. Thus Detroit will be their LAST STAND.

    www (dot) redditlog (dot) com/snapshots/684757

  • Grey Knight

    It is a red herring but reverse the sexes and consider if that’s fair.

  • sarahgray

    Nothing unfair about it. The law is gender neutral.

  • Grey Knight

    Gender neutral in what way?

  • sarahgray

    In that primary parents tend to retain custody, and wealthier spouses pay alimony where applicable.

  • booksaremyfriends

    I don’t get it. I’ve lived in the metro detroit area almost my whole life and I have never, ever ran into a feminist group. Ever. I mean, I know women who describe themselves as feminists, but they mostly don’t even know what the MRA is… Where are these violent feminists supposedly coming from? Campus maybe? The local high school? Are they flying in from out of state?
    They are going to face a threat far greater from the constant muggings and carjackings (from other men, no less) than they would ever get from some feminists groups. It’s almost laughable that they are coming to one of the most dangerous cities in America and they think that women are their biggest threat.

  • Teflon Expat

    There are three weeks to go so the feminists have time to organize, mobilize and strategize. More feminists than MRA’s will be on deck during the conference. Tomorrow at 10am a small contingent of feminists will have a drill at Grand Circus Park and then march and chant their way over to the DoubleTree where they will carry signs, shriek their demands and drive away prospective hotel guests. The press should be there but feel free to go with some friends, take pictures and then post them on every possible social outlet. They want exposure and they are going to get what they ask for.

  • Teflon Expat

    From Ms Magazine:

    “Some organizers of Saturday’s protest are understandably fearful of potential violent retaliation from AVfM supporters, and are discussing ways to ensure that the peaceful march and rally are held in as safe of spaces as possible—safe both from physical harm and emotional trauma. For women who have survived domestic and sexual violence, it is particularly unsettling to confront men who excuse and even advocate for such violence. But Detroit’s feminist activists refuse to be silenced by fear, and continue to hold out hope that this culture of toxic masculinity can be changed.”

  • http://batman-news.com MGTOW-man

    If women do not want to be compared to children, they should stop acting like children. This bull that women can behave as they please but no one can notice it and dare say a single bad thing about how wacky it is, is for the gullible, obedient, customer-like puppets that women like you so admire.

    It is like children to want all the candy but not the cavities. In case that is too complex for you, let me spell it out honey. Wanting equality without all the hardships, sacrifices, accountability and responsibility—things that come with TRUE equality (don’t mean to scare you with the words TRUE EQUALITY) held by adults who do not whine about it, is what is wrong here.

    Disagree? Then make it mandatory that women must register for the draft roles, see to it that women get identical sentences for the same crimes, make women see that having to have a baby (poor poor pitiful women) is but a fact of life… one ungrateful women who commit murder of another human being in a helpless and vulnerable state—that DOESN’T belong to just her—just doesn’t get. Oh yeah, and the next time one of you run your mouths and act as if you need reprimanding, but exploit the fact that you’re female and should “NEVER be hit” no matter how unruly and deserving, don’t complain when another man treats you like you asked. Stop preferential special treatment for women who out one side of their mouths need no help from men, but on the other side, take in all the help from men they can gather—and in spite of all the reality, still stare a man in his face and insist they are equal…like an oblivious fool who doesn’t know that getting help being equal (wink, wink) is cheating and solidifies against any chance of real equality.

    Actually read AVfM since you are so quick to condemn it. If you shed your subjectivity that comes with being female, honestly leave your pre-biases behind, you’ll see that being honest with women even about things that hurt their feelings is treating them like adults, who get it, who understand that equality cannot be achieved without all the rest of the package.
    So it is being treated like an adult or a child. Which is is honey?

    The list goes on and on…but obliviousness is an obstacle.

    Not all women do it, but many do. Apparently, you are one of them. Again, if you do not want to be compared to children, stop behaving like they do. That change is completely within your power. Deal?

  • Mike Hunt

    Nope. Feminism isn’t a hate movement built on lies, propaganda and distortion. It most certainly doesn’t demonize men in the exact manner than the Nazis demonized the Jews.

    Nope. Not at all.

  • Teflon Expat

    More mobilizing. This time from skepchick -

    “On Saturday in Detroit (that is tomorrow my friends) a group will protesting the Men’s Right’s Activist convention taking place this weekend at The Double Tree Hotel in Detroit. The group will meet at the Grand Circus Park and march to the Doubletree Hotel. If you read this blog you are familiar with the violent and harassing tendencies of the MRA movement who often target women who identify as feminists whom they blame for pretty much everything.And if you are aren’t familiar with the MRA movement I suggest catching up by reading this blog: We Hunted The Mammoth and at this very moment you can follow the #NoMRA hashtag on twitter. But be warned, the anti-feminists are fighting back by harassing those who tweet.

    If you are in the Detroit area and care about violent misogynists gathering in your fine city and spreading hate, then do consider joining the protest. More info on the rally and the conference can be found here on the Ms. Blog.

    There is also a petition you can sign asking the Double Tree Hotel to cancel the conference. As of posting the petition has over 3,000 signatures.”

  • visionary_23

    Pretty sure you haven’t read every clause of every contract you’ve signed.

  • visionary_23

    I don’t hate men, At all.

    Coulda fooled me.

  • visionary_23

    The hotel merely mentioned that there were threats and required additional costs to protect the conference.

    AVFM then was able to determine specific threats by feminists who were planning to protest.

    Again, this isn’t hard.

  • sarahgray

    What have I said about men that is hateful?

  • sarahgray

    The contracts Doubletree uses for conferences etc. Is pretty simple and easy to read. They also are not numbered as the letter refers to.

  • sarahgray

    Where do you see men being demonized here?

  • sarahgray

    There have been no threats, specific or otherwise by feminists protesting this conference.

  • PlainOldTruth

    “What is Misandric Fixation?” — for the answer just google the question. It will not be found in the DSM. The “forward”-style community-organizer tactics of the people who adhere to authoritarian utopianist visions have long been of the tenor of those who wish to prevent the public from being, in the Detroit Conference on Men’s Issues, exposed to the uncensored facts about violence (including the highly “gendered” forms called proxy violence and “false accusation”) have a long and ugly history.

  • sarahgray

    News flash: the FBI confirms no threats were made. They are just down the street from the hotel, and said they would have been notified in the event of threats like that.
    If course, if you don’t believe me you can call them yourself. They were incredibly helpful and friendly :)

  • sarahgray

    I was expected to apologize for them. I’m pretty sure no threats were made, as neither local police or the FBI were contacted.

  • sarahgray

    When did that happen? Who made that hotel informant claim?

  • sarahgray

    It was not on Hilton letterhead. It was on the letterhead you get on the free stationery you get when you stay at a Doubletree.

  • PlainOldTruth

    “The Decline and Fall of the Worst”

  • PlainOldTruth

    Your profile picture is threatening because it can cause nightmares. Also it evokes that hit song “Shut the F**k Up” (by Big Red) which indeed is an unsettling and aggressive audio experience (but I love it anyway). Once we reach Social Justice Utopia critical mass we will have enough tax revenues to send a bossy, hectoring, shrill social worker to your home and force-drug you so that you can recover from “Independent Thought Disorder.”

  • Mike Hunt

    Do you actually have no reading comprehension skills whatsoever or are you just pretending?

  • Mike Hunt

    You are quite the broken record. It’s not even interesting anymore.

  • Mike Hunt

    Lol.

  • PlainOldTruth

    Lacks logic. “would have been” says nothing. They weren’t (if the report is accurate). How does the FBI know which complaints will be made and which will not. Magic? Perhaps the hotel is being accused by speculative critical theory guessers of falsely reporting the claims. That would be something to report to the FBI if it were true (that the hotel management lied about felonious threats) – or something not report, depending on the choice of the hypothetical would-be reporter.

  • PlainOldTruth

    Q: You’re being funny…right? A: Ovary time; ovary time.

  • sarahgray

    Why don’t you call them yourself and ask? They are located just down the street from the hotel.
    There is literally no reason the hotel would tell AVfM about threats but not law enforcement.

  • sarahgray

    Men aren’t being demonized.

  • Mike Hunt

    Lol.

  • Mike Hunt

    Lol.

  • Teflon Expat

    What if you’re right? Does it matter?

  • Teflon Expat

    What if there is a reason? Does it matter? You’ve got 15 hours to convince America that AVFM lied about feminists getting into a threat-laden hissy fit or they will be mocked the entire way from that park in Detroit to the hotel.

  • sarahgray

    It matters because I can’t imagine Doubletree would want to host them after they smeared the hotel’s name like that.

    Also all the money they defrauded their membership of.

    It takes some chutzpah to make up death threats, accuse people of making them, and then making money off the whole thing.

  • Incubus

    Alright, if someone would like to upload Hilton letterhead and Doubletree stationary so we can compare, please be my guest. Please also explain the Hilton couriers delivering the letter to the private home addresses of the individuals hosting this conference.

  • sarahgray

    I thought they were sent by certified mail?

    You can look up the business letterhead Doubletree uses yourself.

    you can also look up the standard contracts used for conferences.

  • sarahgray

    The FBI has received no reports of threats.

  • Teflon Expat

    Does it matter to feminists?

  • sarahgray

    Yelling “fuckface” is not violence.

  • booksaremyfriends

    What feminists? I’m so confused?!?!? You guys act like feminists are some big huge group in this country, like the NRA. They’re really not. And you have nothing to fear from them other then them exposing the fact that most MRA groups, including this site, mostly just whine about how feminists ruin everything, or why they’re against a certain feminist, or something something feminism
    I was only pointing out that if you plan on going to the most dangerous city in the country, the chances of you getting mugged or carjacked or raped by a man are far greater than any threat from a group of loosely organized feminist.

  • booksaremyfriends

    The hotel mention or someone made some sh*t up for publicity?

  • fools2234

    Yea nice selective reporting. Yelling may not be violence but assaulting police and people wishing to attend a BOY CRISIS conference, threatening people who wish to enter the conference and pulling fire alarms in an attempt to get the conference canceled are all examples of violence and hate group tactics you would expect from the KKK and New Black Panthers.

    But here you have a bunch of angry feminists doing it, and yet their “not” a hate group? If any other organization or group were doing the things feminists do regularly then they would be listed as a hate group.

  • Incubus

    I believe certified mail is a misquote. AVFM has been too busy with securing the requirements to post an official response to any of this conspiracy theory stuff that’s come out in the last days, but the indications that have been printed by those connected to the group have talked about mail couriers. I would speculate that Paul Elam’s letter may have come certified, since he lives in Texas.

    I can’t just simply look up the letterhead online to see what you’re saying. There’s no way of knowing how legit any of this stuff is that you find from Internet searches, and if that’s what you’re basing this on, then I don’t think you’ve got much of a case. The fact of the matter is, while we can’t currently prove that feminists made the threats, it is very consistent with their past behavior, and with what they posted on their own FB protest page. All the evidence we have right now points to feminists being the ones who did this.

  • sarahgray

    I haven’t seen any evidence of assault in the video of the woman who has been doxxed and threatened by MRAs.

    Pulling a fire alarm and blocking entrances are not tactics I would endorse, but they aren’t violent.

  • Incubus

    Whatever you want to call it, your side is uncivilized.

    What you call doxing is actually bringing public attention to the people who want to do these things. Is there some reason you think a school teacher who organizes a death threat campaign should not have her district alerted to what she’s doing?

  • Teflon Expat

    Who was damaged by the publicity, made up or otherwise?

  • sarahgray

    No, no one who organized the protest said any such thing,
    There were no threats towards conference attendees or hotel employees by anyone.

    Stealing logos is more of an MRA thing than a feminist thing.
    Being loud is not the same as being violent.

    There is no proof whatsoever that any threats were made.
    I thought AVfM was going to update on that. I know Janet Bloomfield said they would.

    I see they are still asking for money even though they have exceeded their goal and the insurance and police had to supposedly been procured as of today.

  • Teflon Expat

    Why would feminists bother “exposing” a group in such a manner?

  • Incubus

    “Stealing logos is more of an MRA thing than a feminist thing.”

    I have to laugh at that one. Have you HEARD of Anita Sarkeesian?

    Screenshots have been captured of people on the protest page talking about getting violent. We’ve been through this.

    Yeah, I guess the AVFM people are going to issue an update soon. You expect them to close down the fundraiser when the Hilton has said they may need to secure more money if your side makes more death threats? How stupid would that be?

  • sarahgray

    We have not made any death threats.

    No one talked about getting violent.

  • Incubus

    What does talk of being trigger happy or getting armed mean to you?

  • Teflon Expat

    AVFM is going to do what they want to do. That includes making the infuriated bitter nervous upset and emotional protest organizers appear like a bunch of sour-group ninnies. Mission accomplished. Deal with it.

  • sarahgray

    She did no such thing.

    So yeah, it’s inappropriate

  • Incubus

    I guess we’re at an impasse, because we have evidence that you just don’t seem to be interesting in acknowledging. So I guess there’s nothing left to say here.

  • Teflon Expat

    The McClintock effect?

  • sarahgray

    What organized death threat campaign are you talking about?

  • Teflon Expat

    T-13 hours until the self-humiliating feminist Park to Hotel ‘march’

  • sarahgray

    In what way do protest organizers “appear like a bunch of sour-group ninnies”, and who caused this?

  • sarahgray

    What evidence?

    I’ve seen screenshots of facebook posts, but no actual threats.

    Well, other than the ones against me and the ones other organizers have received.

  • Incubus

    Please feel free to show me any threats you or any others have received.

    I’ve told you what threats I’m referring to. Apparently, you think nothing of it when people on FB talk about getting trigger happy, or people on Metro Times talk about arming themselves to meet with us, yet you feel you’re being threatened because one poster on AVFM talks about using hornet spray to defend ourselves and his comment is instantly deleted with a message not to post that again.

    I have to wonder if you’re at all concerned for the needs of others.

  • Teflon Expat

    When a group issues a cry-baby petition to prevent people who goaded and teased them for years from merely meeting and talking at a hotel : sour grapes

    When a group cries for public support to damage a hotel’s reputation if the hotel does not abide by its whiney demands to disassociate from people they find offensive : sour grapes

    When a group is blind-sided by accusations of threatening people who upset them and then rush into damage-control mode to save face and cry ‘nuh uh!’ thus making themselves look even more foolish : sour grapes

    This has got to be the most fun AVfM has ever had with these feminist tools! On the eve of the first ‘protest’ you know they are slamming down beers at taverns all over the nation high giving and laughing their arses off.

  • sarahgray

    Those are inappropriate comments, for sure, but are not actual threats. Comments like those appear on MRA sites all the time.
    Calling it satire after the fact is disingenuous.

    The comments you speak of on facebook were deleted.

    The threats AVfM are alleging are still not shown to have actually happened.

  • sarahgray

    So they *did* forge the letter?
    That’s pretty fucked up.

  • Teflon Expat

    So feminists did not anticipate the backlash caused by their own petitions and threats that was bound to come from a strategically superior AVfM? They should have know better and blew it. Egg on face BIG time! No amount of back peddling will get them out of that rabbit hole and it will only get deeper if the ‘protest’ commences.

  • Incubus

    AVFM deleted the comments you’re referring to immediately, with a message not to post them again. The threats of death that I’m referring to were kept and endorsed for days, until we started posting them publicly and making a raucous about them. You decide which movement is the dangerous one.

    And yes, they are actual death threats. If you disagree, I will be very happy to let a judge decide the matter.

  • Incubus

    The one which Emma Howland-Bolton apparently organized when she posted on that anti-MRA-Conference FB page asked for actors to help with something that could be done from anywhere shortly before the hotel started receiving threats.

  • sarahgray

    I certainly didn’t endorse them.

    “deleted immediately” doesn’t mean anything when there are screenshots.

  • Incubus

    By continuing to stand with the protesters, you’re endorsing them.

    Deleted immediately means the movement does not support them. Yes, sometimes a few strays will come in and try to make the movement into something it doesn’t support, and those people will be banned. That’s completely different from a movement that allows violence to enter itself unchecked, as feminism did with Valerie Solanas.

  • sarahgray

    No, I’m not. A comment or two does not speak for hundreds of people.

  • Incubus

    If the movement doesn’t denounce those comments, then they do speak for them. The fact that you’re even calling us the violent ones when our movement has policed itself and yours hasn’t is quite childish.

  • sarahgray

    We have.
    It’s a nonviolent protest, as stated, and the comments were deleted.

  • Incubus

    Has a public statement been made that you don’t support the behavior of the individuals who made those comments, and have the individuals involved been told not to make comments like those anymore?

  • fidelbogen

    Name those “groups and individuals”. List who blamed them. List the “affiliated websites”. Explain what “affiliation” is, and how it is established.

  • fidelbogen

    You do admit that you’re a feminist….right?

  • fidelbogen

    Why do you find that hard to believe? I don’t.

  • fidelbogen

    YOU explain why the hotel (allegedly) did not report the threats to the DPD, despite having sent 3 certified letters to AVfM personnel.

    The hotel would be the logical party to ask about that. . .but since you seem to be so smart, maybe YOU can find the answer for us, eh?

  • fidelbogen

    “Stealing logos is more of an MRA thing than a feminist thing.”

    Be kind enough to enlighten us on what an “MRA thing” is, compared to a “feminist thing”.

  • fidelbogen

    Your use of “we” is significant.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    Oh Boy – sarahgray you again believe that you have the right to be told all operational details of law enforcement investigations because…… well because ….. you are “You” and expect – nay require – what ever you want upon demand to fit any world view you hold at any moment?

    I take it you are aware of the term “psychological entitlement”?

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    I see that you are still not up to speed and out of the Loops – so here’s a little heads up – facebook events that have been removed due to content that related to threat against others, venues and the public in general and firearms usage. Such an odd thing for supposedly peaceful people to keep on their events page …. especially at the risk of copycat behaviour, a known security issue. But then again – if the Idiots being lead by a supposed school teacher had any brains and real world acumen they would have ac ted and had to be acted upon.

    Other content on other providers also had to be pulled for security and public protection. Multiple breaches of terms of service occurred across the net. So much for supposed educated protesters who are so functionally illiterate that they lack the capacity to read and act socially.

  • fidelbogen

    If you are “pretty sure” no threats were made, it means you are not entirely sure. So on that account, why not just make a statement condemning the threats, condemning the use of violence in politics, and affirming the right to free speech?

  • CloudKicker

    The threats were apparently enough for the hotel to require security at the event, at the expense of MRAs, of course. But with the threats is the possibility of a similar scenario at Detroit as in U of T, or any other event were people gather to talk about men and boys (how dare we, right?) I suspect it was a combination of less than peaceful comments made by individuals who may attend the protest, and feminists track record for engaging in less than law abiding protest that informed their decision to require security at the event. Which, of course, was the desired effect, was it not?

    But would you look at that: 29 grand and counting, surpassing the goal of $25,000. It must be such an unpleasant shock to you that such tactics don’t work anymore.

  • sarahgray

    I have.

  • sarahgray

    The facebook page for the protest has not been removed.

    There have been no threats posted on the facebook page.

    If someone’s content was deleted elsewhere, I don’t have any idea about that.

  • sarahgray

    I thought it was six letters sent by courier.

    The only logical explanation for this is that threats were not made. Because if threats like that were made, law enforcement would have been contacted.

  • sarahgray

    Janet Bloomfield and Jonathan Taylor’s websites aren’t affiliated with AVfM?

    You know exactly what I am talking about.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    More attempted misdirection, misinformation or just more evidence of being out of the loops and inattentive? The event has been removed by facebook on their events listing – and was then hastily replaced by a facebook page created 2 June – it’s on the page for all to read.

    Is it that you do not grasp how social media such as facebook works or are you into silly misdirection?

  • sarahgray

    No, there was no page removed by facebook.
    Looks like *you’re* not in the loop.

  • Teflon Expat

    T-30 minutes. Feminists spotted assembling at park entrance. Eight MRAs are now in position with cameras on every block along Washington Blvd and Lafayette Blvd leading to the Doubletree. Every ‘marcher’ will be filmed and identified. Good luck out there and be cordial unless provoked.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    Again The Event Was Removed along with it’s Trigger Happy content. Do you know how facbook works and other social media?

  • Auntie Alias

    Harassment and intimidation: the usual tactics.

  • sarahgray

    No, it wasn’t removed :)

  • sarahgray

    Yeah, all what, 10 of you?

  • Teflon Expat

    Yep. Such a small group and look at all those now exposed ‘protesters’
    Photos to be posted later, all over the net. Nice going and thanks!

  • Auntie Alias

    Let the doxxing and rape threats begin!

  • Teflon Expat

    See ya at the now well publicized conference in two weeks…and thanks again. Sweetie

  • Teflon Expat

    Back atchya

  • sarahgray

    Because taking pictures of women’s license plates really shows how much you care about the rights of men.

  • Teflon Expat

    They were walking. The drive-by protest is the one in two weeks. Keep it straight.

  • sarahgray

    Oh, so that was you? good to know.

  • https://twitter.com/TicklishQuill Isaac T. Quill

    Oh Right – so if it wasn’t removed why was the event hidden so completely and effectively on Facebook and all traces made to vanish from Google? Was someone in Europe telling Google they wanted to be forgotten and made to vanish? The only time I have ever seen this happen in the past is when for security reasons and due to risk of danger to others Content ( even historical content) has been made to vanish. Odd that!

  • Auntie Alias

    I’ll only see you if you make the news.

  • Sam Arcand

    Simple explanations are BEYOND sarahgray’s grasp.

  • Teflon Expat

    Here is a list of hate-free topics that feminists hate:

    Fatherhood and governance
    Domestic violence and feminism
    The crisis relationship
    Family courts
    Cultural misandry
    Misandry in media
    Men, grief and loss
    Blue collar invisible man
    The Men’s Movement
    Antifeminism
    Paternity fraud
    Men in the military
    Young men in education
    Circumcision

    So it is clear, obvious and an absolute fact that this has NOTHING to do with MRA ‘hate’ and EVERYTHING to do with the type of information that feminists hate and consider THREATENING to the years of propaganda annoyingly imposed on the American public. This feminist ire boiled over solely because this list of topics will be discussed in PUBLIC at hotel and not on some fringe website. That is why feminists went all mood-swingy, grabbed their sign-making Sharpies and cardboard, childishly threatened a large corporation and exposed themselves in a publicly-humiliating “2 4 6 8″ tantrum-rich feminist-pride parade.