I was molested at the Men’s Rights Conference [updated]

June 27, 2014
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After weeks of hullabaloo, the controversial activist group A Voice for Men kicked off their first International Conference on Men’s Issues with what was to be an hour-long press conference in St. Clair Shores. The past few weeks have seen A Voice For Men announce Detroit as the host of their first International Conference on Men’s Issues, feminist protesters demand the cancellation of the event, and the relocation of conference from the downtown DoubleTree hotel to a Veterans’ hall in the sleepy suburbs. With so much Internet vitriol being spewed from both sides of the debate for weeks (“MRAs are misogynists!” say the feminists, “feminists hate men!” say the MRAs), I was ready for something of a clash to go down in St. Clair Shores.

As a straight-white-cisgender-heterosexual-male, I was open-minded about the conference — it’s kind of easy to cast straight-white-cisgender-heterosexual-males as the bad guys and also easy to (perhaps unfairly) imagine the International Conference on Men’s Issues as being a straight-white-cisgender-heterosexual-male-apolooza. The backlash against the conference seemed, to me, a little heavy-handed. To deny the MRAs the right to peaceably assemble would only vindicate their feelings of victimhood.

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Where are all the feminist protesters?

Imagine my complete and utter shock as I pulled up to the lakeside Veterans of Foreign Wars Bruce Post 1146 and not a single megaphone-wielding feminist protester was to be found. Anywhere. Not one. At first I wondered if maybe I drove to the wrong hall.

It seems to me that if you wanted your protest to be visible, you would make it a priority to go to a press conference. Reporters from various national media outlets were there, including TIME. Did the protesters feel they were victorious because of the venue change from Detroit? Will they appear once the conference proper starts this weekend? Are they already tired of this whole saga (like me)? Or maybe in this age of easy Internet slacktivism they wrote “#NoMRA” on a piece of paper, took a selfie while holding it, tweeted it, and felt like that was enough?

Part of the reason organizers said they relocated the conference was due to the fact that the Veterans’ Hall could hold more attendees — more than 300 had signed up so far, they said, and the previous venue could only accommodate 175. Again, maybe it was because it was only a press conference and not the conference proper, but there were not 300 people present. Maybe 30 tops.***

Everything seemed to be running a half hour behind schedule. I spent the time trying to explain the Trick Trick/Rick Ross beef to some curious out of state journalists — possibly the only topic I’m more sick of talking about than the MRAs.

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Partying hard at the men’s rights conference. Note the streamers.

It was at this point that I got molested at the Men’s Rights conference.

An older man came up to me and immediately complimented my hairy arms (a first). He then started telling me all this crazy shit, about how he was from California and he makes movies and he wants to take me to Malibu and loves hairy guys. Regardless of sexual orientation, it was pretty weird. People started filling up the seats around us and I didn’t want to make a scene, so I just politely accepted the compliment and tried to deflect. The dude kept petting my arms.*

That’s when I realized this is the kind of creepy shit women deal with … everywhere … every day. A part of me wondered if the feminists had planted this guy to hit on rape-apologizing MRAs to teach them a lesson about “rape culture.” If that is the case: well-played. Unfortunately I think I was just dealing with a garden-variety creep.

Finally one of the speakers did that thing that bands do at ill-attended gigs where they ask everyone to move to in and fill up the front. We had nowhere near filled up the conference hall. Then Warren Farrell, author of The Myth of Male Power, launched into a seminar about the problems boys and men face today.

It was a pretty bleak list, and frankly difficult to disagree with any of it. Boys have less educational opportunities than their fathers had. Girls outperform boys in school. With a lack of opportunities, boys, Farrell says, get their dopamine fix from winning at video games instead of succeeding in real life, and from watching porn instead of talking to real girls. Men who are unemployed can’t get married, men who have families have no choice but to be the breadwinners. Men are more likely to commit suicide than women. Farrell even paraphrased feminist Betty Friedan’s “desire for something more,” but swapped the genders.

Hey, wait a minute. All of these problems stem from treating the sexes unequally. It would appear that despite all of their comments thread flame wars, MRAs and feminists are more or less fighting for the same things — gender equality. So why can’t they get along?

Farrell then told an anecdote where he met a man who was depressed by the fact that he couldn’t take time off from his job to be with his son — he was afraid to ask his wife if that was a possibility. It was only after talking to this man for an hour that Farrell realized he was talking to John Lennon.

One of the leaders of the MRA movement didn’t recognize a Beatle. And to think some people criticize the MRAs for being out of touch with the real world.

At this point, Mr. Malibu was getting too cozy** with me and though the allotted hour had passed, Farrell didn’t seem to be ending any time soon. I figured now would be a good time to split.

[*Edited Monday, June 30, 6:30 a.m.: Let's be perfectly clear — this guy was hitting on me. The very first thing he said to me was that he loves hairy guys and that he makes movies and wanted to take me to Malibu. At 3 p.m. At a press conference. Nobody should be hitting on anyone at 3 p.m. at a press conference.

**By "getting too cozy" I mean he was leaning into me as we were sitting listening to the speakers, physically touching me.

***Edited Saturday, July 5, 5:30 p.m.: According to organizer Dean Esmay, total attendance for the conference was over 250. A previous version of this article had stated the DoubleTree's capacity was 275; according to Esmay it was actually 175. The photo below, provided by Esmay, illustrates a more robust attendance once the conference had actually started.

It is also worth noting that video of all of the conference's speakers can be viewed here, so readers can make up their own mind about the International Conference on Men's Issues.]

It should be noted that the actual conference itself was well-attended.

 

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  • TimoUK

    First this sounds like a lie, second why didn’t you tell him to get lost?
    Shameful

  • RubberPunch

    For some people it is more important to be popular than anything else. They always know what a beatle is.

  • Leyland ‘Lee’ DeVito
  • Prentice Reid

    This is one of the most childish out-of-touch blogs I have ever read in my life. You ask why MRAs and feminists can’t get along? Well go to any big University, try to create a men’s group on campus and then when the feminists come and censor you then come back and write a serious blog. Numerous people have written about this and even filmed the feminists disrupting and bullying any men’s rights speaking engagement on campus even if the person speaking is a woman. You need to wake up. And as a man you must be living one hell of a wealthy life to not notice any of the serious problems men face today or care enough to understand the need for a men’s rights movement. Men receive 64% heavier sentences in prison than women for committing the same crime and countless numbers of my family members are locked up for crimes women get slaps on the wrist for. Wake the heck up.

  • Kimski

    Is that supposed to be proof of anything?
    A link to another TWIT-ter and self-proclaimed feminist, who has this posted on her site: “is there a 911 for when your dad agrees with men’s rights??” ???
    I just love how the yellow journalists in today’s media has become increasingly erratic and subversive, when presenting their abilities for fact checking in infantile hit pieces like this one.

    Anyway, congratulations with your newfound ‘victimhood’-status.
    Unfortunately I have to inform you that you should not be expecting any government funding for “your problem” anytime soon.
    You have the wrong gender, dude.
    (-Although you almost had me fooled there for a minute.)

  • Kimski

    Considering the 1000 different faces of John Lennon during his career, I’ll bet he could have fooled anyone, even Leyland here. It’s not like the old Beatle actually wanted to be recognized by the public.

  • http://www.mancheeze.wordpress.com Joy

    Hahahahah! Creeps galore at the ‘men’s rights’ con. Another MRA attempted rape and assaulted a woman the other day. At least there’s only about 30 creeps.

  • A

    They’ll never get along because feminists blame men for the inequality and MRAs blame women. Given that men have been the dominant sex for thousands of years, I’m inclined to think that the feminists have a bit more ground to stand on. (If both sides would chill out a bit on assigning blame and work towards actual equality, we might get somewhere, but I don’t see that happening.) Feminists have a bad reputation because their more extreme/unhinged members are obnoxious on the internet. MRAs have a bad reputation because their more extreme/unhinged members are obnoxious on the internet….and have an annoying habit of physically assaulting/murdering women for not giving them the respect/sex/love/etc that they think they deserve.

    I’m kind of disappointed to see that all those outraged internet feminists didn’t bother actually showing up for a protest, but I also feel oddly vindicated about my complete disrespect for, as you call it, slacktivism :-P Then again, 30 grumpy men and one weird old perv are hardly worth driving to St Clair Shores for.

  • Robbie Dwight

    Clearly, the MetroTimes decline is worse than we all thought. This is not journalism. This reads more like a LiveJournal post. It reads like a snotty 16 year old high school student writing an ‘op-ed’ for the school newspaper, and even then, I think this would not have made it to press. There was zero research done about the conference, the state of gender equality in Michigan, or the protest against the conference. You gave zero insight as to what the conference was about. You reached out to no one on either side of the issues for comments. Just stop.

  • Draigo Luther

    Who?

  • Kimski

    I know it’s pointless, given your history of slander, libel, and consistent lying, but can you actually prove anything you just wrote for once?

  • VariousX

    Why not just say, “Hey, stop touching me”?

  • Draigo Luther

    Or even better, contact security.

  • Kimski

    And you forgot to mention that the feminists continue to write outright lies like this one: “MRAs have a bad reputation because their more extreme/unhinged members
    are obnoxious on the internet….>u> and have an annoying habit of
    physically assaulting/murdering women for not giving them the
    respect/sex/love/etc that they think they deserve.”

    Okay, once more for the dyslectics among us: Elliot Rodger belonged to a PUA hate site and were nowhere near being affiliated with the MRM or the MHRA.
    You do notice the huge difference in the capital letters, don’t you?
    This is a lie that has been repeated so often that people like you seems to believe in it now, and I’m sure you would have made Goebbels proud, given the fact that you just proved him right about repetitive lies and propaganda.

  • Kimski

    Personally, I think he should have tazed himself and called for back up.
    Makes just as much sense as the article, actually.

  • Auntie Alias

    Thanks for reporting on this. If attendance at today’s festivities is as dismal, it’s going to be very interesting to watch the attempts at damage control.

  • Auntie Alias

    They have misogyny and a false sense of entitlement in common.

  • Auntie Alias

    I’m guessing it’s because (a) he didn’t know how the guy would react and (b) it would be embarrassing to cause a scene.

  • Auntie Alias

    “This is not journalism.”

    It’s a blog.

  • A

    He’s faaaaar from the only one, dear.

    Also you’re hilarious and I find your misspelling of “dyslexic” to be especially amusing.

  • D. L.

    Yeah, that totally happened exactly as described. Some totally objective reporting here.

  • Lee, lee, lee.

    Several kinds of fucked up here. Lee, you contradict yourself when you say that you thinks feminists would benefit more from ignoring the trolls (“The backlash against the conference seemed, to me, a little heavy-handed. To deny the MRAs the right to peaceably assemble would only vindicate their feelings of victimhood.”) and then smugly regard about the lack of presence protesting things (“It seems to me that if you wanted your protest to be visible, you would make it a priority to go to a press conference.”)

    Next, some guy stroking your arm does not make you a victim of the kind of institutionalized sexism and misogyny that feminism hopes to address. Not even close. Maybe it helped you empathize with the feeling of victimization and threats to safety/comfort that women experience daily, but it sure didn’t help your total tone deafness with regard to the actual issues at hand.

    Finally, this post inherently fails to understand what the conversation is about. It’s not about you, men! Women need a space for themselves and you injecting your sense of personhood/personal experience into every situation under the son is entirely not needed or welcome. Women exist independent of men, and you are not always relevant to the conversations we have.

  • Auntie Alias

    “It seems to me that if you wanted your protest to be visible, you would make it a priority to go to a press conference.”

    Opponents of the conference wrote letters to the VFW in vain so there was nothing to accomplish by protesting. They wanted to deny AVFM another opportunity to claim victimhood and also for safety reasons.

  • Kimski

    So, misspelling and shaming is all you’ve got, since I don’t see you providing any evidence?
    Pathetic counter by any standard, whatsoever.

  • Kimski

    And that differs from the misandry and overt entitlement feelings of the opposition exactly how?
    None of those alleged similarities makes the MRM/MRA into killers.
    Even you must be able to recognize that fact.

  • Auntie Alias

    Always deflecting. Oh, and there’s no such thing as cultural misandry except in the minds of the gullible.

  • Kimski

    And with that reply, you just completely disregarded the fact that the feminists treats of violence and murder against the DoubleTree hotel staff, was the very thing that made the need for safety necessary in the first place.
    Very nice attempt at obfuscating the reality of what happened, there.
    Unfortunately you failed, big time.

  • sarahgray

    What threats? There has been no evidence presented that feminists, or anyone else, did any such thing.

  • Auntie Alias

    Did you think I wouldn’t notice your false accusation or are you playing to an audience?

  • Chiquitobot

    absolutely pathetic attempt at journalism.

  • Kimski

    Never addressing the issues..
    Deflecting, obfuscating, dismissing? Hell, yes..
    But actually addressing anything? -Not so much..

    And in the minds of the culturally driven misandrist, of course. You forgot to add the bigots.
    -To which group you have consistently pledged your allegiance, I might add.

  • Chiquitobot

    see at the top where it says “news”? dips**t.

  • Jade Davis

    Who is the homophobic creep who wrote this article?

  • kaimcn

    Organizers of the #NoMRA protest went out of their way to ask those in opposition of the conference not to attend. In the past MRA groups have taken video and pictures of protesters, followed them home, doxxed them, stalked them, harassed them and their families.

    This wasn’t a case of slacktivism, it was a case of of safety and of not feeding into the ridiculous persecution complex that dominate MRA conversations.

  • Guest

    Where is the sympathy for the victim from all these MRA’s? I guess you just want more male victims to be quiet. Isn’t that the opposite of what you preach?

  • Kimski

    Hell, if I’m going to waste another friday discussing with TWO of you delusional, “strong and empowered” victimhood claimers.
    You made the initial claim, Auntie. You provide the proof.

  • Auntie Alias

    See at the top where it says “NEWS BLAWG”.

  • Auntie Alias

    Huh? I made no claims of victimhood or threats.

  • WhoreofSpamylon

    Have you contacted anyone with the conference about this man? If not, and if your story is true, please do so.

  • Kimski

    Proof would be appreciated, but I know that would be “problematic” for you.

  • Jade Davis

    Your implementation of “victim olympics” strategy indicates you are a long-time feminist. Do you have anything intelligent to say?

  • Kimski

    Hey, I thought the personal was the political with you guys.
    Too inconvenient in this case, I take it?

  • Chiquitobot

    yeah. still defining itself as journalism.

  • Auntie Alias

    I’m sorry your butt is hurting.

  • Kimski

    Stick that head of yours back in the sand, Auntie.

  • Guest

    MRA’s: Male rape is underreported and not talked about. Sexual assault on men is considered just something we “like” or have to “accept” because of how we’re victims of gender roles.

    Here’s a news story about a man coming out and saying this creepy person was fondling his hairy arms!

    MRA’s: IT’S A LIE! DAMN YOU METRO TIMES.

    Methinks you aren’t really into the issues you claim to be into.

    Also, I don’t think you know what oppression olympics means, because that wasn’t deployed in the previous comment.

  • Auntie Alias

    Huh??

  • http://www.integrity4maine.com Integrity4Maine

    How could this be possible when the Conference only started a couple hours ago yet there are comments on this article going back 4 hours? Freedom of the Press doesn’t give you the right to fabricate. This sounds like a good case for a libel suit!

  • Kimski

    But not as embarrasing as writing this hit piece?
    Fail, Auntie, fail.

  • Kimski

    Yes, just what I thought. ;)
    Saw what you just did there, and so will others.

  • Guest

    Because he was talking about yesterday’s press conference. Maybe read the article before commenting next time.

  • Auntie Alias

    Oh come off it. It’s a transparent attempt to discredit the article because Chiquitobot doesn’t like what it says.

  • Auntie Alias

    You’re deflecting again.

  • An Other

    I don’t see anything.

  • Kimski

    Discredit the article????? o.0
    Are you kidding me, or did you (again) fail to actually read the piece, before you went on another of your perpetual rants?

  • Guest

    Ummm, did you not see the letter encouraging MRA’s to get a DPS teacher fired by calling her workplace and superintendent?

  • Chiquitobot

    As we know, it’s common for feminists to immediately start trolling once their pathetic arguments have been refuted.

  • Kimski

    We’ve done this for a very, very long time, you and I.
    You must have passed it on somewhere along the road.
    (-I need a shower!-I’m a victim of the Deflection Syndrome!)

  • Auntie Alias

    Also, Warren Farrell’s workshop was yesterday.

  • Chiquitobot

    Because that would be taking responsibility for himself and his security. We know feminists are not familiar with that approach to life.

  • Llort Bew

    If you were molested, why didn’t you call security?

  • Auntie Alias

    LOL

  • Deepika Bhardwaj

    First i thought some woman has been molested at the conference and I immediately opened this post only to read this stupid article. So if a woman is accosted by a lesbian in a women’s conference …you would say “I was molested by a woman in a Women’s conference” I am quite confident that article would die a quick death but this misleading headline would add to the hate already generated against this conference! The writer perhaps never looked at those endless videos posted by weirdo feminists threatening to destroy this conference come what may. So they shift their conference( surely leading to a lot of changes and probably travel issues to people) and all that this person has to question is ABSENCE of feminists at the conference!!! My My the extreme apathy to men’s issues over there seem so obvious! All i feel after reading this article is….when there thousands of articles over there by people who don’t believe in IOTA of what men’s rights activists are trying to highlight, why the hell this person wasted time to right another one of the same kind! CRAP!

  • Kimski

    Umm, did you not see the letter from the DoubleTree, where the feminists violence and murder treats against the staff members were pointed out, as the main reason for the extra security?
    Wouldn’t you like to keep an eye on the person initiating these things, or do you always fall back on proxy violence?

  • Deepika Bhardwaj

    He did not ask him to get lost cuz he a Mangina and thinks no one on this earth has confidence/strength to just push someone off if you are not interested!!! And this anonymous someone molesting is the easiest way to create a news anyways!!!

  • Kimski

    Always and then again..That’s what makes it so easy.

  • http://www.integrity4maine.com Integrity4Maine

    I did read the article. The alleged journalist took the article through the press conference and into the actual conference with subtle messages. Also I would like to challenge the author…. if you were molested, where is the police report?

  • Guest

    “My My the extreme apathy to men’s issues over there seem so obvious!” Says the person who doesn’t care if a man gets molested.

  • Kimski

    You don’t know Auntie like I do.
    Try again.

  • Kimski

    Strawmanning much?
    He was asked for proof, that’s all.

  • WhoreofSpamylon

    “Says the person who doesn’t care if a man gets molested.”

    The strawman tactics are strong with this one.

  • Chiquitobot

    no i did not see that. nor do I believe that her info was established by following her home and stalking her.

  • Chiquitobot

    oh so he’s talking about the press conference and at the same time wondering why 300 non-journo attendees are not there…. ok..

  • Chiquitobot

    well when more reports from reliable sources start coming out saying there was a molester going around the conference we can validate the claim.

  • Kimski

    Yep, smash your head against the wall a couple of times, and it makes perfect sense. -Or attend a Women’s Studies 101 course.
    Same difference..

  • Jennifer Pearson

    ….what the fuck does any of that mean?

  • Kimski

    There are no news, until there are proof.
    Making unsubstantiated claims are well known within yellow journalism.
    Actually validating their claims are somewhat more “sidestepped”, in favour of the headlines and the hooking for viewers.

  • Guest

    I’m sorry your reading comprehension is so bad. And I’m sorry that male victims of abuse have idiots like you pretending to care about them. I guess you men’s rights “champions” are as stupid as the news makes you out to be.

  • TefEx

    “The conference is a front to try to legitimize A Voice for Men and distract from their activities of the past 4 years, like cyberstalking, character assassination, propagandizing, and blaring out hate All will be peace and light and clucking over the tragic state of enslaved men during the conference. Then the set will come down, the show will wrap, and they will get back to malice.”

    “In case you hadn’t noticed, AVFM is a fringe group looked upon by society as a bastion of misogyny. The ambition, as I see it, is the same as for any other fringe group, to widen their appeal. This will be difficult to do as feminists will continue to point out their history.”

    –Mancheeze feminists

  • Robbie Dwight

    Just so you know, the MetroTimes is a Biweekly, “newspaper,” and they post stuff from the newspaper (ya know, where journalism happens) on their website, or in this case, their blog.

  • Kaitlyn Newton

    because he was scared and confused, you stupid fuck?

  • Robbie Dwight

    So, wait, has anyone here actually researched the MRA? Looked up what they do? What their beliefs are? Most of the comments on here are from uneducated sexists, so I’m assuming “no” to all of the above. And, in the age of information, ignorance is a choice.

  • Kaitlyn Newton

    do you even know what a “strawman” is?

  • WhoreofSpamylon

    Hey now, there is no need for you to project yourself on to me.

  • TefEx

    There is a MRA conference happening right now. They are being legitimized. What are you doing about that?

  • Kaitlyn Newton

    what “threats of violence”? examples please.

  • Guest

    Nobody in this thread asked for proof. I’m wondering though, why you can’t listen to the story with empathy. And that’s not a strawman. Do you know what a strawman is?

  • TefEx

    The American public bought off on the notion that feminists threatened the hotel. What more is needed?

  • Auntie Alias

    The blog is a separate section from the main site. No one should expect it to adhere to journalistic standards. This is just a smear tactic on your part.

    You have a lot of nerve demanding that the author stop. Talk about a sense of entitlement.

  • Jade Davis

    A Mangina is a man who hates men, and, has no self-respect regarding his masculinity.

  • Guest

    It’s on AVfM, and it’s been on there.

  • Kaitlyn Newton

    the male/MRA comments on here are sick. I thought it was “feminists” who didn’t care about male victims? you people are idiots.

  • Kimski

    Empathy with an unsubstantiated claim?? Are you kidding me? Is this a saturday night soap show??? Where’s the proof that this even happened??
    -No wonder most dissenters view feminism as a pseudo-religion, nowadays.
    Just saying..

  • Auntie Alias

    I’m very familiar with AVFM, unfortunately. What they do is violate people’s privacy, harass and intimidate people, and publish vicious misogynist rhetoric.

  • TefEx

    What is being done about those claims?

  • Kaitlyn Newton

    I don’t have to do anything. their behavior is enough to make people dismiss them and their little “movement”.

  • vanessalynne

    The Metro Times has always sucked.

  • sarahgray

    Sure Jason. Keep on frantically posting to distract folks from the actual words from speakers at the conference.

  • Kimski

    Yes, that’s when an unsubstantiated claim are made by a faceless bigot to prove that MRA’s doesn’t care about men.
    You just learn something new everyday, don’t you?

  • Kimski

    For once, we’re not talking about feminism here, FYI.

  • Llort Bew

    No need to throw insults.

  • Auntie Alias

    Just for the record, I see you changed your user name but that doesn’t erase the disgusting thing you said to me awhile ago. I will be ignoring you from now on and I recommend that others do the same.

  • Robbie Dwight

    So, even if it is a “blog,” that excuses the author from any sort of integrity when it comes to reporting on something of this magnitude? Or do you just want your news to be in short paragraphs, where the content is trite and has nothing to do with the subject matter, with a nice provocative title? I mean, did you read the post?

  • Kimski

    Link, please?

  • TefEx

    Then why was it even necessary to protest the hotel and make threats and why did a known hater of the group want so bad to report on the conference? They will implode on their own

  • Kaitlyn Newton

    what threats? examples please.

  • Kimski

    PLEASE tell me what you said to Auntie: I so much need her ignore my comments. Been trying for a long time, actually, but she just keeps coming back. It’s like having a cockroach infestation in your house.

  • vanessalynne

    Ah yes, the cutesy misspelling of blog! All part and parcel of the phony baloney “alternativeness” of Metro Times!

  • Auntie Alias

    Good grief. The author was more on the side of the MRM than feminists and I took issue with a number of things he said. That doesn’t change the fact that attendance was dismal which is what I was most interested in. If the turnout is terrible again today, I hope AVFM loyalists start asking hard questions of their leadership.

    If there was representation from other media outlets, I’d wait to see what they report instead of expending a lot of energy trying to debunk a blog post.

  • TefEx

    Don’t know. But ignoring Esmay would seem to be more of a priority.

  • Guest

    It has the person’s name, and I don’t trust you not to continue doxxing that person. Your comments here show you could be capable of such an endeavor. If you like AVfM so much, you should have seen it by now.

  • Kaitlyn Newton

    yeah, because women have never been “censored” or silenced before…

  • Kaitlyn Newton

    why isn’t the “men’s rights” movement doing anything if you have so many legitimate issues?

  • RubberPunch

    Nothing of course. They’re just claims without much substance.

  • Kimski

    So, no proof?
    Thought so.

  • Guest

    “The author was more on the side of the MRM than feminists” Pretty sure that’s the point of why the article was wack.

  • TefEx

    “A Voice for Men recently organized a conference in Detroit that gained so much backlash the hotel housing the conference insisted the group purchase $2 million of insurance after receiving violent threats.”
    –National Review

    The National Review uncovered the evidence. Please call them.

  • http://johngalt2014.wordpress.com/ John Galt

    In this article were you planning to actually provide any facts? – or just your jaundiced opinion, veiled insults about how potentially ‘pathetic’ such people are for wanting to discuss Men’s rights and the wonderfully original ‘feminism is for everyone’ tripe. I could have written better on the toilet tissue is used to wipe my arse with.

  • Kimski

    Do you even read what you write?

  • Auntie Alias

    If nothing else, they’re consistent. If a victim doesn’t report it to the authorities, it must be a false accusation.

  • Nikkie

    Insulting a man’s masculinity and comparing him to a woman’s genitals. Wow. You sure do care about men!

  • Nikkie

    One of the founders of PUAhate is a writer over at AVFM – the organization throwing this conference. Just FYI.

  • TefEx

    The conference is over tomorrow. That is a victory for the feminists.

  • Auntie Alias

    Yet the man-babies are still playing the victim in spite of the sympathetic coverage.

  • Guest

    No, that’s not what it is, actually. I think you need to go back to study your argumentation and fallacies.

  • Kimski

    Andrea Dworkin was a spokesperson for eliminating men down to 10% of the present population, so you’re into gendercide too, right?
    See how little sense that makes, or do I need to go on?

  • Nikkie

    Just in case it wasn’t extremely obvious to you by now, the #1 and really only method of activism for MRAs is stalking comment sections on news articles and blogs in large groups.

  • Auntie Alias

    Shaming a victim and victim-blaming.

  • Auntie Alias

    Please continue to make a fool of yourself.

  • RubberPunch

    ‘Twas a press conference. Maybe the ‘creep’ was a colleague?

  • Guest

    LOLOL. John Galt. HAHAAHAHAAHAA

  • Kimski

    I actually thought that infantile shaming tactics were beneath you, Auntie.
    Thanks for correcting my mistake.
    You’re doing a wonderful job at presenting the “best” in feminism.
    Keep going.

  • Kimski

    Please drop dead. :)

  • Auntie Alias

    If I said that to you, my comment would be turned into a screen shot, uploaded to the AVFM server, and appear under an article titled “EVIL FEMINIST ISSUES DEATH THREAT TO MEN’S HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVIST!!!” Heh.

  • A

    Look, I could spend an hour looking up countless cases of over-entitled bastards murdering their wives/girlfriends/exes/crushes/lady at the supermarket, but would it change your mind in the slightest? No. Because you are not a reasonable or logical person. So why should I waste my time? Google it yourself if you’re interested.

  • TefEx

    nah. but its good to be cautious.

  • Guest

    How bout YOU post the alleged letter that YOU’RE referencing? You demand proof from everyone else while providing nothing yourself.

  • Kimski

    Just like feminism has devolved into self-entitlement, threats of violence, and hatemongering, when they’re not trying to obfuscate recent facts about their entire “victimhood”-ideology/multi billion dollar industry, that perceives and perpetuate the roles of women as just that: Victims of everything.

  • TefEx

    What threats of violence? Where is the evidence? the proof?

  • Flo

    Why is your soul so ugly?

  • D. L.

    >I was open-minded about the conference

    Not credible.

    Somebody allegedly touches this guy’s arm and then he claims “molestation” in a headline? Must be a feminist.

    This is the only good thing about this article:

    >It was a pretty bleak list, and frankly difficult to disagree with any of it. Boys have less educational opportunities than their fathers had. Girls outperform boys in school. With a lack of opportunities, boys, Farrell says, get their dopamine fix from winning at video games instead of succeeding in real life, and from watching porn instead of talking to real girls. Men who are unemployed can’t get married, men who have families have no choice but to be the breadwinners. Men are more likely to commit suicide than women. Farrell even paraphrased feminist Betty Friedan’s “desire for something more,” but swapped the genders.

    The MRAs were making too much sense, so the reporter needed to escape back into his echochamber bubble. And, no, feminists are doing nothing to address these issues. Look how desperate they are to prevent them from even becoming known.

  • Jade Davis

    Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence. The Detroit police, for instance, are investigating death threats and bomb threats made by feminists in connection with the International Conference on Men’s Issues in Detroit.

  • Auntie Alias

    Why are you wearing a bunny costume?

  • Flo

    Some men hate men, they are manginas.

  • Kimski

    Nice try, but that’s not the issue here: Can you prove any legitimate connection between these sicko’s and the MRM/MRA or not?
    Try keeping the eye on the ball here,-you know, as in reasonable and logical, and spare me the childish shaming tactics. I thrive on that sh*t.

  • Jade Davis

    Who is Kaitlyn Newton? She sounds like a creepy person who stalks articles about hating men.

  • TefEx

    Where are the substantiated bonafide investigative orders complete with file numbers, paper clips and hand stamps?

  • Kimski

    Nice try at strategy reversal there, but YOU made the claim, so YOU prove it.
    Just admit that you can’t, and we’re done.

  • Judo

    The irony of Kimiski denying that MRAs try to threaten and intimidate their opposition, then telling someone “please drop dead” isn’t lost on me. :-)

  • Burn Ender

    Don’t worry, MGTOW will eventually become the norm for most men and we will laugh our asses off at society.

  • Auntie Alias

    You’ll notice that unlike you and the AVFM sympathizers here, feminists actually care what happened to this man. We understand the dynamics and his reaction. You guys just went into your usual false-accusation mode. This is what feminists are trying to address regardless of the gender of victims.

  • XLVI

    lol….magnitude? are you blind that you cant see the pictures? I swear, there would be more attendance if I was throwing a Tupperware party in my basement.

  • TefEx

    While hiking in the beautiful Andes Mts with their loverly Ecuadorian wives?

  • Kimski

    Okay, notice the little smiley? That’s meant to be a joke. I know humour isn’t your strongest suit, considering the ideology you so persistently defend, but it was.. :)
    ^See, I did it again! Amazing, right?

  • Judo

    Translation: “I’m too lazy to do a basic Google search, even though half of my claims are things I do not provide links to.”

    You are adorable.

  • Guest

    No man was molested. It’s a lie.

  • Auntie Alias

    You sound like a creepy person who stalks articles about hating women.

  • Kimski

    The irony of a feminist putting a smiley behind anything, as an indication of actually having a sense of humour, is not lost on me.

  • Flo

    He wan’t molested. It’s a lie.

  • Judo

    Much unlike MRAs, right? This is like watching two bald guys fight over a comb.

  • Kimski

    Yep, especially considering the 8-9000 miles between us.
    You just never know, right?
    /sarcasm off.

  • RubberPunch

    This man got propositioned by another man at a press conference. Maybe by a fellow journalist, who knows?

    If only there were more fathers left in homes to teach girls and boys how to decline politely, and not get emotionally scarred because someone shows interest.

  • D. L.

    Feminists are attempting to address “the dynamics” and “his reaction”? This comment has reached a new level of idiocy.

  • Auntie Alias

    No. YOUR reaction.

  • D. L.

    >This man got propositioned by another man at a press conference. Maybe by a fellow journalist,

    Allegedly, I might add. Could have also been another anti men’s righter or support staff or random person, but it was still used as a smear to distract from the real issues.

  • Kimski

    Yes, and based on hearsay…they seem to have a preference for taking that as substantiated proof, don’t they?
    *Wink-wink* (->1-in-4) *wink-wink*

  • Auntie Alias

    It really doesn’t matter who the creep was. Really.

    “emotionally scarred because someone shows interest.”

    FFS. Are you really that clueless and full of hate?

  • Judo

    Yes, men and women both face plenty of hardships in modern society. Yes, rape culture is very real, from the victim blaming women face to male rape victims being laughed at when they try to come forward.

    No, arguing over who has it worse does absolutely nothing to improve it.

  • Kimski

    Thank you. I’ll take that as a compliment. And thanks for admitting to not only being able to present any proof of your intial claim, but also being lazy about it. Projection is so obvious to read, don’t you think?

  • Kimski

    Please, go do that and make yourself useful for once!

  • Guest

    What does the MRM have planned in terms of activism? You seem to know a lot about it. Genuine question.

  • RubberPunch

    I does matter who the creep was, cause the story is used in the article to recreate a certain feeling. I guess this is what is called Gonzo Journalism, it is designed to evoke and/or recreate emotion and not necessarily be correct.

    If that’s what you call hate, yea sure. I guess it explains why you see hate everywhere.

    I guess in your clueful world, I should be completely distraught from the attention I occasionally get from men and women alike.

  • Judo

    Who said I’m a feminist? Who said I’m even a woman, for that matter?

  • Guest

    And how exactly does someone “prove” something like this? Besides offering up (on twitter) several collaborating accounts and a photograph of the offender? What proof do you want? Should he go back in time and videotape it somehow?

  • Kimski

    Why are you even here then?

  • Guest

    What makes you think there was even any security there to call?

  • Kimski

    Witnesses, cellphone vid of the alleged “perpetrator”, a criminal report…Too many ways to “prove” something like this, actually..

  • G&PT

    Two wrongs don’t make a right.

  • Kimski

    Well, got you there, because there’s actually plenty of security around the place. Remember the feminist demonstration they said they would carry out, but are obviously too indifferent about, now that they’ve had their emotional fix at the DoubleTree?

  • Judo

    Ah yes, because if I’m not a feminist or an MRA, I have no right to be in a discussion. As a man, I have rights you know. *rimshot*

    Anyways, I just thought it was cute that both sides are doing the very things they’re accusing each other of doing. Especially you. Most of your posts are you doing the very things that “those evil feminists” keep doing. Anyways, have fun, all.

  • Kimski

    Are you completely cognitive dissonant, or have you simply not noticed there’s a Men’s Conference going on as we speak, to raise awareness of men’s issues??? The second of it’s kind, ever, and initiated by the MRA’s?
    Btw. the first one ended in chaos, due to a false rape accusation from a self-identified feminist against the initiator, that was later retracted.
    Interesting, don’t you think?

  • Kimski

    Well, if it works it works. It’s not like sitting on your hands for 60 years and being polite about it has gained you any substantial rights as a man, is it?

  • Kimski

    Oh, do entlighten us on all the things you’ve done to change that, won’t you?
    This is simply done to make it evident that feminism no longer owns the discourse on the gender issues. Too bad, if you’re not able to recognize that.

  • guest

    lol….you’re funny. A bro pissed on your little anthill of a conference and you’re scurrying all frantic on the comments page. You’ll catch yourself a coronary dude. The only thing of magnitude is the debacle for an event that pompously presents itself as international.

  • Llort Bew

    He was talking about yesterday’s press conference and then he wonders why the 300 people supposed to show up today were not there? Hmm.

  • Kalcen

    Some dude petted your arms and you equate that to molestation. Good day to you sir

  • RubberPunch

    …and shutting down Planned Parenthood clinics. It’s gonna be great!

  • Guesteez

    A bunch of MRAs talking to other MRAs in a little room is not activism. What are you doing to actually TACKLE the issues of education inequality, for example? What are you doing to encourage young boys to achieve academically, or to help them develop social skills so that they don’t rely on porn over actual relationships? What are you DOING besides complaining to each other and trolling comment threads?

  • kaimcn

    Proof of whet exactly? Searching the NoMRA tag and feeds of the organizers will show that they asked those in opposition not to protest.

    Proof of their harassment is easy for you to find (google helps) but I know of it personally when they harassed a friend of move after age protested an AVFM campus event.

  • Kimski

    Are you asking me as a person or the movement as a whole?
    Careful, it’s a trap..

  • Kimski

    I’m not on Twitter OR facebook. I absolutely detest that kind of self-promoting self-obsesssion and narcissism. So we still have a little question of proof to settle, as far as I can see. Am I right?

    So, you want me to tell you how I was consistently harrased by feminists for expressing dissent with an IDEOLOGY, ffs, until I was finally forced to move and sell the house?

  • Flippy7

    The only thing I know of that is even related to your statement, ‘Guest’, is the teacher that called all of her male students “little bastards” and “future rapists”. Is that the one you’re talking about?

    Yeah, MRA’s DID call her workplace and superiors because someone like that has no business being in charge of educating our youth!

    Please don’t try to get away with only telling half of the facts. It makes you look incredibly foolish.

  • A Real Libertarian

    I’m sorry your butt is hurting.

    Did… did you just make a rape joke?

  • Flippy7

    Google searching “AVFM DPS Teacher letter” shows no related results. You’ll have to provide a link to show evidence.

  • Kimski

    Screen grapped for posterity! No pun intended. :)

  • http://johngalt2014.wordpress.com/ John Galt

    Ooo deleting my comments how delightful, I’m blushing. So as I was saying, were you planning on providing any facts? or just accusations, veiled insults and the kind of trash reporting that belongs in the weekly world news?

  • TefEx

    Just imagine if that chip-on-shoulder Lissie person from Seattle had been let into the conference as a ‘reporter’ and all the ‘reports’ she could have dreamed up

  • chickenbrothel

    You’re so full of hate, it’s disgusting. Someone’s arm was touched and suddenly, men don’t have any real issues, nor any right to speak about them? You are an absolutely disgusting human being.

  • FireBits

    “molested”.. oh yeah, molested in my ass. We try to help vulnerable people here and these “journalist” do what? Exploit, exploit, exploit every single thing that they can to bash human rights movement.

  • TefEx

    But why? Why do they bother?

  • chickenbrothel

    Someone touched your arm, and that was “molestation?” What do you do on the subway, sue everyone? Cry rape when someone bumps up against you? I’m sorry, but I’ve had plenty of people touch my hand, arm, shoulder, etc., when talking to me, and I’ve never once cried “molestation!” This is pathetic, and if this is your strongest attack on the Men’s Human Rights Movement, you’re going to fail.

  • Roby 83

    That feminist that was `molested’ because a man talked to her in an elevator was you teacher?

  • Kimski

    Yes, they succesfully pulled that one off at the last Men’s Conference, back in the 90′es.
    You’d have to be an idiot to chose a name like ‘Dark Horse’ with it’s obvious connotation to ‘Trojan Horse’, and still believe you can get away with yet another false rape accusation, to dismiss men’s issues in public. Seriously..?

  • FireBits

    Scared of loosing their female privileges perhaps?

  • LikkiCurry

    You know… enough. Don’t humiliate yourself – if I was to report every encounter with a weirdo in my life – male or female – as a molestation, I would’ve been molested at least 6 times. I feel surprisingly normal. Maybe because I don’t look for sensation in a ran-over frog on the side of the street.

  • chickenbrothel

    You obviously don’t really want examples, as you can easily find them yourself just by googling. You’re only here to spew your hatred. There are so many examples of threats. All you have to do is run a google search or see some of the twitter comments on the conference, and you’ll see plenty of “I’ll be there. Armed” and “I hope you hire security, because I’ll do anything I can to stop this” and on and on and on. Pages of it. Or look up the letter that the Doubletree hotel sent to AVFM about the threats they were receiving. It’s publicly available. Do your own search.

  • TefEx

    Feminist privileges more accurately. But AVfM has done nothing in that regard. So why is this conference so alarming?

  • TefEx

    Conference ends tomorrow and you’re still not satisfied?

  • Guesteez

    Both.

  • Chiquitobot

    No, I don’t usually see MRA’s abandoning their line of discussion to begin outright trolling.

  • chickenbrothel

    Since when is having your arm touched during conversation “molestation?”

  • TefEx

    Since all attempts to discredit and demonize the conference have failed and every attempt now will reek of desperation

  • A

    See here’s where we run into a wall: you won’t accept any proof that doesn’t back up what YOU want to believe. You keep calling for proof that a man touched another man’s arm the other day: something that is literally IMPOSSIBLE to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt unless it was recorded at the time (and even if it was, I bet you’d find an excuse.) It’s so easy it is for MRA to simply dissociate themselves from “sickos” by claiming that they weren’t REALLY members of their community. “Sure, we all like to send a good rape and murder threat or two! And we’ll certainly make excuses for offenders and argue that it was the victims fault for being a mean ole woman! And sure, they hung out on our forums and argued in comments threads and read our publications. But they totes weren’t REALLY MRA. ‘Cuz we’d never do anything wrong.”

  • EndlessWinter

    Hell, I can give you a case where both happened at the same time: One of the MRA speaking engagements that got protested with an attempt to keep the speaker from, well, speaking involved a case where the speaker was a woman (Fiamenco).

    Meaning that a group of women were silencing a woman from talking about men.

  • Kimski

    The speakers are from all over the world, which makes it international, dimwit. Sorry I can’t return the compliment, for obvious reasons.

  • sarahgray

    No one said they had plans to protest the convention.
    Not from anyone who organized the successful protest at the hotel, at least.

  • Guest

    I didn’t actually, “Guest” is more than one person, asstard. But you’re claiming something as evidence, so fckin’ pony up and prove it.

  • chickenbrothel

    Empathy? Where’s my empathy for all the times I’ve had my arm touched? I didn’t realize that was worthy of demanding the empathy of others. If I had known, I’d be drowning in empathy.

  • G&PT

    I expect feminist sympathy would be right out the window if a man claimed to have been molested by a woman. It would either be “women can’t molest men, molestation is about power and the patriarchy gives men power”, or “well, now he knows what women have to put up with all the time”, or just plain denial. Let’s not forget the male feminists who would be telling him to “man up”. Then again, I expect a female claiming to have been molested would get little sympathy either. It would either be denied, or she’d be dismissed as an MRA infiltrator.

  • sarahgray

    There were no substantiated threats, according to the police, and there is no evidence that that letter wasn’t forged to make money and have an excuse to cancel on the hotel (clearly there are fewer than 275 people at the conference).

  • chickenbrothel

    Equating having your arm touched with “molestation,” and thereby comparing having your arm touched to the plight of people who have actually, legitimately been molested, is sickening. You’re taking away the legitimacy of people who have suffered true molestation, and that is absolutely sickening. You should be ashamed.

  • A Real Libertarian

    My advice is link, link, link to all your sources.

    Then they’ll get confused by your going off the script and demand the evidence again.

    At which point you can demand they give their sources and point out you’ve already given your sources and give them again.

  • Kimski

    You’re entirely dismissing the fact that being touched on the arm in no way can be presented as “molestation”, while literally submerging in an abundancy of straw man arguments.
    This article and the entire discussion in the comments is a joke!

  • chickenbrothel

    Can you please show me where the police publicly stated that there were no substantiated threats, along with the evidence that the letter was a forgery? Show me this, and you’ll change my mind on the subject, but you still won’t change my mind on the necessity of bringing men’s issues to light. Thanks.

  • Guest

    But several people coming forward and saying the dude did the same thing to do them, and posting a picture of the culprit, that’s no good?

    You honestly think a guy, who wouldn’t be able to get any respect from the cops if he were ACTUALLY RAPED (which, if I’m not mistaken, is one of MRAs big issues) would get any respect if he came in and reported that some dude was creepy and kept stroking his arm? That they’d actually file a report? Please. If an undesirable chick had done this to the guy (or maybe even a man at any other event) you’d be pissing yourselves to point out the double-standard for harassment victims. You’re just afraid that this creep made you look bad (don’t worry, you were all doing a great job of making yourselves look bad without him.)

  • Kimski

    Nice attempts at ad homs. Please, keep it up.
    Of course, you just disqualified yourself as being a rational adult, but you know that, don’t you?

  • Kimski

    I’d be going for the government fundings.
    That’s what the feminists do, and they’ve been extremely succesful, at the expense of the mindless ideological herd.

  • automaintaining

    They didn’t show because their hate would be filmed an shown to the world. Most intelligent thing they have ever done, unfortunately. The movement will move forward and grow. More an more men and women see the hypocrisy of feminists everyday and even this blogger couldn’t disagree with the issues raised. The MRA are discussing how to address these issues and the haters can now only say they aren’t doing enough. Pathetic. Feminism has had 40 years to address issues of equality but are only interested in gaining privileges for women. The movement grows, feminism shrinks into insignifance. Welcome to the future!

  • chickenbrothel

    What do they have planned? Um, well, they’re having an international conference at this very moment. Which is what this very article is about. Fucking idiot.

  • chickenbrothel

    What are you doing?

  • Kimski

    Calm down, okay? The article, as well as the following discussion is entirely based on hearsay, without a shred of evidence being presented so far.
    Would it not be somewhat more rational and logical to wait for that, before devolving into another outburst of overt emotional hysteria, before you bring out the pitchforks and torches?

  • EndlessWinter

    Is it really that bad to make a cutesy misspelling of a cutesy misspelling of “weblog”?

    Although Auntie Alias being a rape apologist who encourages rape culture is something I find personally amusing.

  • automaintaining

    The MRA are discussing how to address these issues that have been ignored by feminism for years and the haters can now only say they aren’t doing enough. Pathetic. Try helping. Feminism has had 40 years to address issues of equality but are only interested in gaining privileges for women. The movement grows, feminism shrinks into insignifance. Welcome to the future!

  • Guesteez

    I’m neither a MRA or a feminist. So it doesn’t matter what I’m doing. What YOU guys are doing is dodging the question. What, besides sitting in a little room talking to yourselves, is the MRA movement actively doing to address the issues that it brings up? And if you say “Raising awareness by fighting in news comment threads”, so help me god….

  • automaintaining

    automaintaining Kaitlyn Newton • a few seconds ago
    The MRA are discussing how to address these issues that have been ignored by feminism for years and the haters can now only say they aren’t doing enough. Pathetic. Try helping. Feminism has had 40 years to address issues of equality but are only interested in gaining privileges for women. The movement grows, feminism shrinks into insignifance. Welcome to the future!

  • A

    Actually I agree that “molestation” was not the right word for it. “Sexual harassment” would have been better. But it’s still not okay, and has literally nothing to do with the issue of MRAs being threatening, potentially violent, and victim-blaming extraordinaire.

  • automaintaining

    This was your best shot at discrediting the MRA? Hahaha looks like you got nothing and are sorely disappointed. Shall we address the issues now?

  • Guest

    What the hell are you even on about now??

    Show us the letter from Double Tree or stop using it as evidence and demanding other people show you “proof” for everything. I haven’t seen you post a single link to a single source in this entire comment thread, despite feeling entitled to all manner of “proof” for ever single thing you disagree with. Just goes to show that you’re full of shit.

  • TefEx

    MRAs are running from feminists threats of violence.

  • TefEx

    It was Lissie’s pinch hitter

  • Guest

    Oh how clever, and how classic- you don’t actually have a response so start babbling about my uterus-induced insanity and unbalanced female emotions. (Too bad I’m a dude.)

    The whole point is that there is not going to be evidence, because there was an incident that nobody filmed. You can believe the victim, or… well, you can’t even believe the perpetrator because he hasn’t said anything about it yet! He may well admit to petting the guy. You’re just cranky that the author didn’t like your sad little organization enough.

  • Samanta Luna Moraga

    Isn’t the conference today? How coud he write that so fast?

  • sarahgray

    There is no evidence that the letter is real. The police reported to local journalists that no threats had been reported, and then two weeks later said threats had been made (but not who had reported them), but that the threats were unsubstantiated.
    People who care about men’s issues don’t waste time talking about how they hate feminists.

  • chickenbrothel

    It does matter what you’re doing, when you hypocritically call someone else out for doing nothing but commenting on a blog, while you’re doing the exact same thing. So, either strike your “what are you doing about it” question, or admit that it doesn’t matter at all what Kimski is doing about the issues, if you agree that there are issues. If you don’t agree that there are issues, then we’ll talk about that, and that is where the discussion should lie, not asking people why they are commenting on a blog, while commenting on a blog.

  • Guest

    The press conference was earlier.

  • Jimbo Jones

    John Lennon died in the early 80s, dafuq ?

  • sarahgray

    This person harassed other people too, acceding to other journalists there.

  • chickenbrothel

    If you really don’t think that “sitting in a room talking to [themselves]” is doing anything to bring awareness to people who aren’t already MRAs, then please tell me how you know about this event, being that you’re not an MRA. You are walking, talking, commenting proof that these efforts are not just preaching to the choir, and that it is reaching non-MRAs, as you are a non-MRA, and you know what’s going on, and you’re commenting about it. So, let’s discuss the issues, if you’re ready, instead of all this “what are you doing” nonsense.

  • Draigo Luther

    You mean what feminism has done to anyone who opposes it for last, Oh I don’t know 20-30 years, It kind of happens when you have two opposing viewpoints going at it.

  • sarahgray

    The press conference was yesterday.
    Funny how they claim they needed more room, but clearly have fewer than the 275 the Doubletree could host.

  • RubberPunch

    I don’t think they expected 275+ journalists at the press conference.

  • chickenbrothel

    Male rape is underreported, yes, but equating having your arm touched to “rape” is ridiculous, and insulting to people who have actually been raped or molested.

  • RubberPunch

    Do you have a source?

  • Roberto Matus

    wow. just wow.

  • chickenbrothel

    Well, they must be right because they’re journalists. Appeal to authority much? And besides, even if this guy was going around touching several arms, could you please explain to me how some emotionally disturbed individual touching people’s arms means that men don’t really have any legitimate issues that need to be discussed? Or are you not even here to talk about anything serious?

  • Guest

    Wow, what a surprise. Truly the civil rights movement of the 21st century – no list of activist endeavors except a conference, because women prevented men from being activists for forever? Thanks for the laugh.

  • Guest

    Wow, sorry for us non-activists who are curious as to what is being done about these issues. You’re a great representative for the movement.

  • chickenbrothel

    Indeed.

  • chickenbrothel

    Are you actually defending the idea that having your arm touched during conversation is comparable to legitimate sexual molestation?

  • Roberto Matus

    please die.

  • TefEx

    Just like the claim of misogyny, its ENTIRELY in the mind of the ‘victim’

  • chickenbrothel

    I wouldn’t go that far. I think that true misogyny exists. Just not here. And not in most examples of feminists throwing the word around as often and as carelessly as people throw around the phrase “I love you.”

  • Jimbo Jones

    Kind of like women victim blame men for all the wars in the world? THe majority of those killed in armed conflict are men after all.

  • Jimbo Jones

    Yea, because MRA’s have never been consored or silenced before …

  • Jimbo Jones

    You are a false rape accuser.

  • TefEx

    Is this conference inadvertently harming feminism more than the actual intent of sharing ideas among those in the MRM?

  • TefEx

    T-24 hours. so sorry

  • automaintaining

    The movement grows everyday. Less and less people identify as feminists as it is a toxic hate group. This event will grow. Our issues are real and feminists trying to stop them being addressed just helps our movement. Continue :) …or you could help. Up to you.

  • Alan

    What an absolute lot of tosh. Ever tried fact rather than fiction – or are you ineffective at both? ps. What drug were you on when you penned that trash? Fail 2/10 Must Try Harder

  • TefEx

    Yes, the hotel managers were successfully scared. Nobody wants to confront feminists, outside the MRM.

    NOBODY.

  • chickenbrothel

    A Voice for Men has done much to bring awareness to issues men and boys face, and they are also the very reason you are here, silly. Furthermore, I never claimed that women prevent men from anything whatsoever. What made you think that I held those beliefs? Also, whenever you’re done implying that holding a conference isn’t *real* activism, or asserting that nothing is truly being done, would you like to actually talk about the issues? Or would you rather just continue saying that there is no true activism occurring. You can actually change this, of course, by becoming an activist yourself, but you won’t, because you don’t believe in the issues, so you can’t possibly really be upset that people aren’t fighting harder for an issue that you don’t even believe in in the first place, can you? So, either stop complaining that people aren’t fighting harder for something you don’t want to be fought harder for (which is silly as shit), and actually have a conversation with me about the issues, or I’ll probably not have much else to say to you.

  • sarahgray

    The conference today clearly has fewer people than was claimed before the conference. AVfM insisted that they needed more room than the Doubletree could offer, and they have a capacity of 275.
    There were probably more people at the protest.

  • sarahgray

    I don’t see anyone claiming its sexual molestation. Unwanted creepy touching, for sure.

  • sarahgray

    Journalists at the conference live tweeting. Do your own research.

  • chickenbrothel

    Um…the title of the article not enough for you?

  • sarahgray

    Threatening journalists isn’t very human rights-y.

  • chickenbrothel

    I don’t even have to bring up all of the times, of which there are many, that “molestation” has been used in the comments section to describe what has happened. I’ll point you to the very title of this article instead. “I was molested at the Men’s Rights Conference.”

  • chickenbrothel

    The title of the article isn’t “I Experienced Unwanted Creepy Touching.” Nor was it even “An Emotionally Disturbed Individual Touched My Arm During Conversation.” If the title of the article was that honest, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

  • FireBits

    That wasn’t a threat, that was a distasteful wish.

  • sarahgray

    The title doesn’t say that.

  • Greenlight

    If I may illustrate one of the contentions MRA have with modern feminism using your molestation incident:
    This happened to you. You experienced it, not someone else, and yet your first reaction is to think how women have to put up with it. The dynamic of female=victim/man=victimizer is so conditioned that even when something negative happens to you personally, you see it through that lens. Had you been assaulted, would you have laid in the hospital bed thinking “Wow, this sure is a terrible thing women have to deal with?” Because that’s just how popular culture would look at it, if it looked at your experience at all. Now apply that more widely across our culture. That is one of the problems halting progression on gender equality.

  • FireBits

    Feminists are their own biggest enemy.

  • sarahgray

    One would think that 30 grand for security would keep attendees safe.

  • Llort Bew

    Proof?

  • chickenbrothel

    Okay, you’re just a bad troll. You had me going there for a while.

  • RubberPunch

    Once again, do you have a source?

  • RubberPunch

    You don’t like to help your fellow human?

  • Scrufflecat

    Yeah. It’s a shame. They should do some real activism, like holding a conference or something.

  • chickenbrothel

    I don’t equate having my arm touched to being “unsafe.” Perhaps that’s where we differ.

  • sarahgray

    Proof of what? Attendance? There are pictures of the conference that Janet Bloomfield has tweeted out.
    Guess 30 grand wasn’t enough to set up a video feed.

  • RubberPunch

    Video stream is up now at youtube

  • Guest

    Even the blogger agreed with the words at the conference. I am watching live now. Which words do you have a problem with? The words which address issues affecting men and boys but do not involve feminism? Pathetic. Address the issues.

  • John Garay

    listing to the live cast “believe it or not were ahead of schedule” started a hour late you say? you know people are listening to this right now and holding you accountable right? the conference is only a couple of hours in and you left already because one person supposedly made you uncomfortable and you were “molested” yet you made no talk of him touching you in anyway. also no protestors you do realize that the protestors were told that there is a Canadian senator who will be here so any threats would you know be a pretty serious offense.

  • TefEx

    Prayer?

  • automaintaining

    The blogger agreed with the words at the conference. I am watching live now. Which words do you have a problem with? The words which address issues affecting men and boys but do not involve feminism? Pathetic. Address the issues.

  • Auntie Alias

    Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Less projecting, please.

  • Auntie Alias

    *rimshot*

  • LikkiCurry

    If you want this kind of security, come back in 50 years when we’re gonna have devices allowing to scan people minds for arm touching tendencies. I’m guessing hyperbole was your favourite topic in math lessons?

  • Guest

    Is “legitimate sexual molestation” like “legitimate rape?” Is Chickenbrothel actually Senator Todd Akin?

  • chickenbrothel

    So, arm touching is legitimate sexual molestation, Guest?

  • Guest

    HAHAHAHAHA!!!! John Galt.. WHew, that’s so funny.

  • RubberPunch

    You do realize there is a world beyond the borders of a photo, right?

  • chickenbrothel

    Please. Ad hominems can only get you so far. Please be more constructive.

  • RubberPunch

    No wonder all men are rapists…

  • Guest

    I wasn’t there. I wouldn’t make that judgement call. But you know, you’re going to.

  • John Garay

    in addition you failed the mention the most logical step which is tell the security staff about it and have him kicked out.

  • LikkiCurry

    Fembot —– Thoughtless Quote Mine mode initialized.

  • chickenbrothel

    The conference started yesterday, apparently

  • Mark Wharton

    You do realize that there is opposition to men having rights.

  • chickenbrothel

    I didn’t make any such assertion. The author of the above article did. And you’re defending him because you “weren’t there,” while attacking me because you “weren’t there.” Your bias is showing.

  • sarahgray

    The social media director of the conference doesn’t count now?

  • sarahgray

    There is a finite amount of chairs in that room.

  • sarahgray

    Why do MRAs say this?
    I mean, I don’t know any feminists who think that, just MRAs asserting it over and over.

  • chickenbrothel

    “All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French Author

    “All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.” Catherine MacKinnon

    “[Rape] is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which ALL MEN KEEP ALL WOMEN IN A STATE OF FEAR” [emphasis added] — Susan Brownmiller

  • LikkiCurry

    You actually counted the number of people present on the photos, and then came here yapping about “doing your own research”. Do you frequent Tumblr by any chance?

  • chickenbrothel

    “And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference.” — Susan Griffin

  • RubberPunch

    And you counted them all?

  • chickenbrothel

    There are too many more to keep commenting them without starting a whole new article.

  • LikkiCurry

    That would waste the potential sensation.

  • chickenbrothel

    Source please. You can just keep saying things, but anybody can say anything. Police said that MRAs turned into giant axe-wielding ogres and terrorized the local townsfolk. See how that works?

  • Chris Smith

    I thinks what is more likley here is that this guy molested himself at the conference. Had he reported it to the proper authorities, he would have been found out and charged with performing a lewd act (on himself) in public.

  • chickenbrothel

    When did I talk about how I hate feminists?

  • Jade Davis

    The guy who wrote this article was asked to leave the conference because security did not want to take a chance on his emotional problems becoming a threat to the safety of conference participants.

  • LikkiCurry

    Gotta love this guy’s thought process:

    > Gets molested/assaulted/harmed in any way.
    > Doesn’t report it to security to have that person removed.
    > Runs to his laptop to write about how women are oppressed in this world, because he just got molested/assaulted/harmed in any way.

  • Greenlight.

    “Sir, this is a non-arm touching facility.” I think he just took at as an awkward moment (and a humorous anecdote) rather than some threat to be dealt with. Quirky people at conventions, news at 11.

  • Johnny Alpha

    So there were only 30 odd reporters at the conference which displays how lazy and illinformed they are these days. They are quick enough to dismiss the MRM as a hate group or falsely associate it with Elliot Rodger but when a chance actually presents itself to find it the real facts first hand they have no interest.
    I’m not going to comment on this article as it’s fucking ridiculous.

  • CW

    Good thing all that money went to protect+ attendees, huh?

  • fools2234

    Watch the live-stream online (youtube a voice for men), instead of taking this douchebags selective picture of how many conference attendees their are.

  • RubberPunch

    No, I believe that the guy that touched the journalists arm was asked to leave. This from the live stream, at the beginning of Paul Elam’s talk.

  • LikkiCurry

    Good thing you yap pointlessly without rhyme and reason, huh?

  • vanessalynne

    Mangina is a misogynistc term that macho asshole men and their female lackeys use to put down men who refuse to be macho assholes.

  • sarahgray

    Do your own research. A local journalist called and confirmed and wrote an article about it.
    The hotel at no point confirmed that any threats were made, or that they sent a letter. In fact, the hotel denied threats being made and said they did not send avfm any letter.

  • RubberPunch

    All the money may not have been spent for security. Anyone who donated could (maybe still can) ask for a refund when the venue was changed. AVFM has clearly stated that any surplus will be used for the next conference. Which is great, we need more conferences.

  • vanessalynne

    Some men and women are sexist assholes, and so they use words related to women as put downs.

  • Erik Wedin

    You seem to be under the delusion that you decide what other people mean by their words. A Mangina is clearly a man who wants to be a woman. Compare Wigger (White who wants to be black) and its not hard to see what these kind of words refer to. Ignoring what other people mean as well as the general composition of words is just shitty communication skills.

  • CW

    Dupes.

  • Chris Smith

    Douche-bag.

  • RubberPunch

    For years, yea. Then I took the red pill.

  • LikkiCurry

    Paul Elam has personally asked him to leave. I don’t even think he was really kicked out by security, let alone anyone has reported on him.

  • chickenbrothel

    I’ve done my own research, and it contradicts what you’ve said. So, if you want to provide contrary evidence, you should, well…provide evidence. Listen, it’s the sign of an intelligent person that they are malleable in their worldviews when faced with evidence that conflicts with said worldviews, so I’m very malleable, and completely willing to take other evidence into consideration. I’m simply asking for some of that evidence. Could you please just provide a link? I’m sincerely asking. I’m not just talking. I will legitimately read and take into consideration any evidence you provide. Seriously, I’ll do it right now.

  • Kimski

    So what? Men are not allowed to be hysterical, is that it?
    You’re basically projecting your own view of women there, dude. Too bad you can’t see it.

    And the “incident” still only boils down to someone touching someone else’s forearm. The rest is pure speculation, nothing else. You’re actually living proof of the hysteria I mentioned above. How long will it take before one of you start screaming “FOREARM-RAPE!”, and call out for the cops???

  • Auntie Alias

    I’d be happy to collaborate…with real men, not a bunch of entitled crybabies.

  • Kimski

    Nobody wants to deal with spoiled brats throwing a hissy fit, if they’re not our own brats.

  • Auntie Alias

    It’s the same tactic used by the right wing and it’s completely ineffective.

  • Kimski

    Well, you failed to actually answer the question, so I’ll consider it a win.

  • Auntie Alias

    You have me confused with MRAs.

  • Chris Smith

    Take your tampon out, its clouding your brain.

  • Kimski

    -Said the spokeswoman for women’s perpetual role as victims. Someday you’ll have to explain to me how that goes hand in hand with “strong & empowered”(TM)

  • Kimski

    Not so much, I think..
    Let’s face it: Your emotional fixes would disappear, if feminism had actually succeeded in changing anything, besides making perpetual victims out of women.

  • Erik Wedin

    “One of the leaders of the MRA movement didn’t recognize a Beatle.”

    1. He was not a leader of MRA back then. Ever heard about chronology?
    2. You dont even tell WHEN this is supposed to have taken place. Before -64 The Beatles were not even on the American Billboards… Warren Farrell is americal. Beatles are british. Do the math!

  • sarahgray

    Wow, such an example of human rights activism.

  • Kimski

    So the author of the article is actually a molestation-enabler, for not reporting this to the police, and thereby putting others in danger of being touched on the forearm.
    Aww, gawd, I’m not going to leave my house for days knowing this. I’m seriously scared. Should I call the cops right now, just in case?

  • Chris Smith

    Perhaps I was a bit harsh, I tend to be allergic to mangina

  • Amanda Russo

    Yeah. That 30 attendees is really shrinking down feminism, isn’t it! Whoooeee! Maybe next year you’ll have 45?

  • sarahgray

    Two women out of millions. Got any quotes that are from recent decades?

  • Amanda Russo

    What rights are men actually being denied?

  • Kimski

    Well, it probably takes one to recognize one, so..

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com TheBibo Sez

    So, just to be clear – first, the MHRM was called anti-gay even though we embrace gay men because they are men – and now, feminists are trying to gay-shame the MHRM? Homophobes like Lee DeVito and other feminists don’t have to worry about why gay men are fleeing feminism for the MHRM – feminists did it to themselves.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com TheBibo Sez

    He was a feminist in those days, but the man-hate in feminism woke him up.

  • Kimski

    Ehhmm..3 actually, -besides the legions of women behind them over the past 1½ century. Quite a lot, actually…

  • chickenbrothel

    Four women, if you count all of my replies to your comment, and hundreds more, if you really want me to spam this comments section with them. Seriously, I will. Now, as for your awesome logic, how does this sound, “Only four children out of millions starved, so let’s not do anything to feed them.” or “Only four blacks were hanged out of millions, and that was decades ago. So, who cares.” The fact that you won’t admit that there is a problem, even when facing it directly, merely shows your bigotry and hatred.

  • Kimski

    That was only the press and a day before the actual event started. Try to keep up, okay?

  • Guest

    No, in most recent conflicts the majority of those killed in war are civilians (mostly women and children). Look up ‘civilian casualty ratio’.

  • sarahgray

    Modern mainstream feminism is not the same as a few quotes you dug up from decades ago.
    Anyone who says all men are rapists is wrong; all men and women are potential rapists, however.

  • Auntie Alias

    Homophobes like Anne Cools proved our point when she said a child needs a mother and a father, thereby excluding same-sex parents.

  • Auntie Alias

    Too cheap to spring for food, too.

  • Auntie Alias

    I guess those other people did too.

  • RubberPunch

    Yet research keep confirming her position.

    Besides, there’s no such thing as same-sex parents.

  • chickenbrothel

    I agree that modern mainstream feminism is not that same as it was decades ago. It’s worse. But let’s say, for the sake of argument that I agree with you. I will concede and grant you, for the sake of argument, that modern mainstream feminism is not what t once was, does no harm, affects no policy changes that affect men and boys, and is largely benevolent. What in the everloving hell does that have to do with men’s rights and not wanting men to have a platform to speak about their issues?

  • chickenbrothel

    Is fighting against men’s rights conferences your – very ineffective – way of proving that modern feminism isn’t against men the way it was decades ago?

  • whatever

    I think your being molested is appalling.

    I think your molestation of journalism is even more appalling!

  • chickenbrothel

    Do you at least agree that men and boys are facing issues that are not being actively addressed by feminism?

  • Chris Smith

    Hey!!! I remember you, do you do this all day?

  • Erik Wedin

    You do know Paul Elam is on video now telling that this man you met was asked to leave cause he had was loathsome, had issues and the conference did not have the resources needed to help him. Your biased reporting hardly helped anyone! Congratulations you must feel so proud!

  • Auntie Alias

    Another homophobe. And you guys wonder why you have that reputation??

  • kaimcn

    Do you understand that twitter can be read without joining? If you’re going to dismiss everything I offer as proof, why would I jump through your hoops?

    Your experiences aren’t going to erase my beliefs, my experiences or my understanding of history so don’t bother.

  • sarahgray

    Feminism doesn’t hurt men, unless you count men who like male supremacy being miffed that women are people.
    Why is so much effort spent libeling feminists instead of helping men?

  • sarahgray

    There are many same sex parents. Or are you one of those assholes who tell adopted kids their parents aren’t really their parents?

  • sarahgray

    The humanism, it burns!!!!!

  • chickenbrothel

    Why is so much of your effort spent libeling men and propping feminism? People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

  • Chris Smith

    So from your point of view, being accepting of same-sex coupling is more important for children than to have a mother and father? Please clarify.

  • RubberPunch

    Why would I be scared of homosexuals? I have plenty of people in my family and among friends that prefer to stay in that closet. They call it coming out, i call it locking in. With a sign on the door, saying ‘gay and proud’. Why they want to stay in there I don’t get, but hey, it’s their choice.

    A couple living together, sleeping together, maybe one of them being a parent to a kid is not optimal, but not a huge problem either. Doesn’t make the non-biological partner a parent though.

  • kaimcn

    MRAs love talking up these threats but the FBI had never heard of them. Almost like they were completely fabricated lies?

  • Erik Wedin

    OMG! What moron would believe only women and children are civilians? I could literally cry. You sexism seem to make your brain stop working. Start using your brain. Military in most contries are a few percent of the population (Exception, Northern Korea). where the heck do you believe all the other men would be found? Guess what? Most men are off course civilians. And men who are civilians are neither less targeted nor bullet or bombproof. STUPID!

  • RubberPunch

    Of course, you should never lie to a child. There are no same sex parents. Please explain how that could ever happen?

  • kaimcn

    National Review found evidence but the FBI didn’t. Strange that NR were the only ones to give any credibility to the lies.

  • chickenbrothel

    Men are 90% of workplace deaths, 70% of non-reciprocal domestic violence victims, receive 60% longer prison sentences for the same crimes, face gender bias in family courts, are 80% of the homeless; are consistently turned away from domestic violence shelters, despite being half the victims; die just as often from prostate cancer as women do from breast cancer, and yet receive 60% less research funding; are still forced to sign up for selective services or face large fines or jail time, cannot receive financial aid, federal, or state grants without conscription, etc. Now, I don’t see the situation as simply as “feminism = bad. Men = good,” but find me one shred of evidence of a feminist fighting for one of these issues EVEN ONCE. They don’t. That’s my problem with feminism.

  • Auntie Alias

    What are you blaming the reporter for?

  • kaimcn

    Serious question, how do people who are afraid of feminists know that the person they are afraid of is a feminist? Maybe they’re just a shitty coward.

  • Erik Wedin

    Paul Elam is on video regarding that man. The man you talk about was asked by Elam to leave cause he had issues and they lacked resources handling them. Since the guy was asked to leave what does that man has to do with reporting on the conference?

  • Chris Smith

    I know what happened.
    Auntie Alias touched him in his private place…

  • Chris Smith

    …and Sarahgray watched

  • Auntie Alias

    Grow up.

  • sarahgray

    I haven’t libeled any men.
    meanwhile, MRAs spend way more time libeling feminists and feminism then they do actually helping men.

  • http://patricestanton.com/ Patrice Stanton

    Unfortunately you have taken what this writer has written at face value. He did not “attend the conference,” he attended the Press Conference. Those are two different things. The caption, Not 300 attendees, is precisely what a THINKING person would expect considering the virtual blackout on the issues the conference is DESIGNED to bring media attention to.

    As someone else pointed out, just why was it this “writer” didn’t shake off the old guy, the “molester?” Same with the others who chimed-in with their similar experiences? Funny thing is I had just returned from a nearby Subway (R) after a one-hour lunch with that old guy and he was nothing but respectful, not to mention a witty conversationalist (and sadly, “for a girl,” I too have hairy arms!). I was plenty shocked when conference organizers came into the parking lot as we walked towards the building and proceeded to “shake him off” by politely yet firmly telling him he was no longer welcome to come back in.

    Simple solution, eh, Lee DeVito? I mean, dealing directly with a problem vs. the federal-case you and others are attempting to make in your hope to destroy the Truths About Feminism, et al that you can’t seem to handle.

  • Erik Wedin

    During peace time about 2x as many men than women are killed. During war time it increases to 3x as many men compared to women according to reports by WHO.. The idea that more women than men would be killled during any war is delusional Only a crazy person ore just a person hating men would believe it.

  • Auntie Alias

    What I’m saying is it doesn’t matter whether the parents are a woman and a man, two men, or two women. All can provide a loving and healthy home life.

  • Erik Wedin

    Listen to yourself and your crazy talk:.

    “You insulted ONE man, Wow, you sure do care about men.”

    ONE MAN!!!! how the heck does that say anything about what anybody think about men in general?

  • chickenbrothel

    Bullshit. As a man who was raped, I take offense to that. Because MRAs are spreading a message that, to me, the very type of person they wish to stand up for, means a great deal. MRAs are trying to end the draft, solve the education crisis, develop male domestic violence shelters, and much more. To say that they spend more time libeling feminism than they do anything else, is the perspective of someone on a blog, as you and I are now, in this moment. But there are people out there doing work that means a great deal to me. And you are libeling MRAs while talking about how all MRAs do is libel feminists, so how would you be any different to them? And finally, again, what does that have to do with the issues men and boys face?

  • Chris Smith

    Do you have hobbies? I like to ride my bike…

  • Erik Wedin

    ” What are you doing to encourage young boys to achieve academically”

    Encourage young boys? Not only are you a victim-blamer you actually blame school facultys sexist bias on little chilfren!!! Let me guess, you know nothing about the IZA-study where professor Cromwell show schools discriminate against boys from the first day they set foot in schools? Thats completely new to you right?

  • Chris Smith

    But research confirmed Anne Cools position. How do square that with your last statement?

  • RubberPunch

    Accepting same sex parenthood, in a legal sense, is the destruction of the legal recognition of biological parenthood. For both men and women.

    If any biologically non related person can be recognized as a parent, even while the biological parent is alive, then the relationship between children and biological parents are no longer protected by law.

    Children then belong to the state. Which is not surprising. There is no political dissent without fathers.

  • RubberPunch

    Criticizing and debating feminism and feminists is helping men. Libeling is not necessary though.

  • Burn Ender

    I’m not buying this story and I’m not even a MRA.

  • Auntie Alias

    Does that research also support her odious position that gay parents are prone to molesting their children?

  • RubberPunch

    You pulled a Real Man™?

  • sarahgray

    Feminism doesn’t advocate for those things.
    The very real issues of dangerous workplaces, domestic violence, prison sentences, and homelessness are only slanted against men to the degree that our society is still very patriarchal. Feminism works against that, not for it.
    And while men are required to register for selective service, there is no draft, and has not been for decades.

    Family law is gender neutral. While some courts can be biased in various ways (because of both our society and the broken relationships that cause folks to be in family court still conforms to certain gender norms), the law itself is not biased. And men who actually file for custody stand a more than 50 % chance of getting it.

    I know my local DV shelter does not turn away men; the feminists who work there help men, for sure.

    I’d say feminism does more to help men than AVfM does. All they have done for men is take their money for a conference which has seemed largely about how feminism and women are awful, and not even feed them lunch.

  • sarahgray

    The anti-feminist position only “helps” male supremacists.

    I don’t think a patriarchal society helps men, in any real, holistic way, though.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com TheBibo Sez

    Ladies first, as always.

  • sarahgray

    I’m sorry you were raped.

    You should know that one of the patriarchal concepts feminism works against is the notion that men always want sex and cannot be victimized.

    “MRAs are trying to end the draft, solve the education crisis, develop male domestic violence shelters, raise awareness for male victims of domestic violence and sexual assault, and much more. ”

    What are they actually *doing* about these issues?

    There is no draft, BTW.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com TheBibo Sez

    Homophobia, demonizing men, demonizing male sexuality, reinforcing gender stereotypes, lying, letting his objectivity be compromised, running away from a story in progress, unprofessional behavior…

  • Auntie Alias

    You’re out of your ever-lovin’ mind.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com TheBibo Sez

    Biology: egg + sperm = baby. What part of that is unclear to you? While acting parents can be of any gender, biological parents are always MW. You see, when mommy and daddy love each other very much, they use a special hug to make a baby. A shame no one ever explained this to you..your mom must’ve kicked your dad out.

  • sarahgray

    Feminism is opposed to the patriarchal notions that inform those statistics.

    Family law is gender neutral, and men who actually file for custody get it more than half the time.

    I know my local DV shelter does not turn men away, and I’d say the feminists on staff there are helping men.

    I’d say feminism helps men more than AVfM taking their $259 for a conference and not even giving them lunch.

  • RubberPunch

    We have “that reputation” because guys like you continue to reduce complex discussions into hate or love for sexual identities.

    No one should define themselves through who they have sexual relations with. For the vast majority of people, it doesn’t matter who everyone else sleep with. It’s really only relevant for those who are involved.

    Sexuality is something you do, not something you are.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com John Narayan

    Hahaha!

  • fidelbogen

    OK, let’s get this straight. Warren Farrell, a supposed leader of the “MRA movement”, failed to recognize John Lennon some time during the 1970s (when the “MRA movement” was less than a gleam in anybody’s eye), and now the author of this article feels entitled to a stunning generalization about non-feminist people.

    Namely, that they are “out of touch with reality”.

    Well, I do grant you that somebody might be out of touch with reality here. ;)

    Plus, I note that Lee DeVito is being a weasel by not declaring his alignment with feminism. Why is he trying to hide that?

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com TheBibo Sez

    …ad hominems,,,mental health shaming…

  • sarahgray

    We didn’t want a major downtown hotel to host it, no.
    It’s hard to get as angry at a nonprofit that helps veterans when they are being exploited by a hate group.

    I’d love to see a men’s liberation conference that wasn’t misogynistic, didn’t blame feminism and women for things, and focused on actual solutions.

  • sarahgray

    I think many *people* are facing issues not always addressed by mainstream feminism, male, female, and otherwise.

    But it’s certainly frustrating, as someone who would describe herself as a “radical feminist”, to see this caricature of average/mainstream feminists that is more extreme than my own, admittedly radical, views.

  • sarahgray

    That’s fair, I suppose.
    To Auntie’s credit, it’s hard to distinguish mental illness from plain old bullshit sometimes.

  • fidelbogen

    The creepy dude at the conference was eventually booted out of there. The consensus is, that he was planted in order to provoke an incident.

  • fidelbogen

    Trying to pull the spotlight away from feminism, are you?

  • sarahgray

    Yeah, I’m not old enough to have ever met Lennon, but that Farrell didn’t recognize him in the 70′s sounds suspect. It’s also hard to imagine that Lennon “couldn’t” take time off of work to be with his child.

    Wasn’t he basically a house-husband after Sean was born? It certainly doesn’t seem that Yoko Ono could have legally prevented him from seeing his first child with his first wife.

    I’ve seen people wave this comment away with the “fact” that this happened pre-Beatlemania. What’s up with that?

  • fidelbogen

    You are a feminist, you said?

  • fidelbogen

    Let’s see you step up and be a great representative for “the movement”, then!

    Tell us, what do YOU intend to do about feminism? What is your master plan? Let’s hear it. Inquiring minds are thirsting for new ideas.

    Come to think of it…. which “movement”, exactly, are you talking about?

  • fidelbogen

    This person is actually a feminist.

  • fidelbogen

    Carnell Smith has been active in combatting the feminist racket known as paternity fraud. There’s one example. Want more?

  • RubberPunch

    Maybe pop-culture music is not a very interesting reality to know about in the first place? There’s plenty of contemporary popular artists I would never recognize, even from the music alone.

    Yes, I know, I’m out of touch with reality…

  • fidelbogen

    Why can’t feminists and non-feminists get along? Because they are completely at odds with other, by nature. It is literally impossible for them to “get along”. Try asking a cobra and a mongoose to “get along”. Ain’t happening!

  • fidelbogen

    I will respectfully disagree. Some women indeed have, at various times and places, been “censored” or silenced. As have some men. You should avoid these abstractive generalizations.

  • sarahgray

    Uh, there’s a couple of clips with shitty audio at the moment.

  • Auntie Alias

    No shit, Sherlock.

  • sarahgray

    Uh, there’s a couple of clips with crappy audio at the moment.

  • Auntie Alias

    Really. Tell people who have legally adopted children they’re not *real* parents.

    Homophobia means more than just being afraid. It also means intolerance or hatred.

  • sarahgray

    How was he “planted” if you had security and were taking down names?

  • Auntie Alias

    Unbelievable.

  • sarahgray

    I haven’t seen any video or audio of this available, either.
    Watching the press conference though.
    Nice placement of the camera two-thirds of the way towards the stage to make the press conference seem better-attended.!

  • Auntie Alias

    Oh really. Once I get my new computer set up, I’ll have to check it out. This one doesn’t play nice with videos. I know you can’t post links here but on what site is the press conference available?

  • brumblebear

    1. Feminists aren’t protesting because there was an agreement within the last couple of days between the anti-MRA groups that protesting was pointless and perhaps, given the MRA records on harassing and doxxing women they disagree with, even dangerous.

    2. In this thread you see an embodiment of the problem with the MRM. Instead of actually trying to accomplish something– such as managing to dredge up more than 30 attendees at a conference– they prefer to stay at home in front of their computers, filling comment sections on newspaper articles with whining screeds about how society has done them wrong, how they are oppressed by women, and general fits of entitlement.

  • Gman9999

    This may have been a set up. I find the whole incident very suspicious after all of the threats that were made. Did you report this to the Police?

  • fidelbogen

    Carnell Smith is combating the feminist paternity fraud racket.

    Glenn Sacks has been highly active on behalf of father’s rights.

    SAVE Services has lobbied for years to reform the anti-male VAWA legislation.

    Mike Buchanan is active in UK politics, on a pro-male platform. And things are moving along for him.

    The RADAR organization has been busy for years in exposing the feminist DV racket, and making accurate information available.

    The PASK (Partner Abuse State of Knowledge) project has done a bang-up job gathering the truth about intimate partner violence into one place, and undermining the feminist power base in a serious way.

    Earl Silverman (rest his soul) gave years of his life trying to run a DV refuge for men in Calgary.

    Men’s Rights Edmonton has been tireless in exposing feminist hypocrisy, spreading truth, and bringing more people to into the activated non-feminist community.

    Men’s Rights Sydney, has been taking consistent jabs at the lying Australian media.

    Warren Farrell has been raising awareness of men’s and boys issues for years.

    Barbara Kay has been a fearless pro-male voice in the hostile Canadian media.

    Paul Elam, before he started AVFM, was a substance abuse counsellor who worked hard to help men in trouble, and fought against man-hating feminists every step of the way.

    NCFM has been lobbying for men and raising public awareness for many years.

    And I could go on with examples of non-feminist people who are doing things about legitimate issues.

    So come clean and admit that you are a feminist. You aren’t fooling anybody. And you will never force the rest of the world to become feminist.

    So quit playing games, feminist!

  • fidelbogen

    You tell me how he was planted. Got any theories?

  • fidelbogen

    Who is comparing a man to a woman’s genitals?

  • Auntie Alias

    What kind of fool is going to risk a criminal charge playing the part of a sexual harasser? You conspiracy nuts need to get a grip.

  • fidelbogen

    I don’t use the word “mangina” more than once or twice a year. It’s sort of a cliche, so I avoid it for stylistic reasons. I prefer to call the men in question “collaborators” or “traitors”.

    Some call them “purple poodles”.

  • TefEx

    A small following with no reach. Now the protesters feel even more stupid. Did the Sharpie color wash out of the bed sheet?

  • TefEx

    The Police? The local clowns who refused to help disprove the death threats? Oh no, the feminists are not happy with them.

  • Auntie Alias

    This makes no sense. People legally adopt all the time.

  • RubberPunch

    youtube watch?v=kt1BcPHgf2Q at 35:46

    Comment section wont allow posting links without moderation

  • fidelbogen

    “They’ll never get along because feminists blame men for the inequality and MRAs blame women”.

    For the love of God, don’t tell me you’re one of those idiots who can’t see the difference between “feminist” and “female”??

    Say it ain’t so. Prove to me that you’re not an idiot.

    Okay, feminist?

  • RubberPunch

    Adoption is an exception, it is not a normal route for reproduction.

    Ask any mother if it matters what baby they get to take home from the delivery room?

  • fidelbogen

    Which “they” are you referring to?

  • RubberPunch

    People that have legally adopted children, you are not the parents of the children you love as your own. But you already knew that.

    As with so many other words, homophobia has been expanded into meaninglessness by the PC crowd, taking 1984 as an instruction manual. Good job.

  • fidelbogen

    Please define the term “MRA”.

    Furnish a list of criteria by which one might usefully distinguish an “MRA” from a non-MRA.

    Do you feel that anybody who advocates male human rights is an odious, toxic person for holding such beliefs?

    And please admit that you are a feminist. You aren’t fooling anybody.

  • RubberPunch

    Considering the media’s complete disregard for anything related to men’s human rights, the press conference was pretty well attended.

  • RubberPunch

    The whining screeds show other men that they are not alone. It also shares ideas, good and bad, and helps the MHRM to develop better theories to guide activism.

    What you call whining is activism in it’s own right. This movement will develop as all movement do, it is a process of work.

    Work involves talking, thinking, and developing ways to reach the goal, including creating interest in other people for them to join the process.

  • sarahgray

    youtube, a voice for men has a channel.

    youtube watch?v=kt1BcPHgf2Q

    Paul speaks at around 35:00

  • kk557

    I had the same reaction. roflmao……

  • Kimski

    Which part about Twitter and Facebook didn’t you understand in my post above?

    I really couldn’t care less about your pseudo-religious beliefs, your alleged experiences, or your understanding of a re-written feminist “HER”story.
    You’re basically completely irrelevant and blissfully absent from the bigger picture here, exactly because of those emotionally based notions.

  • Katharsis

    Too bad there are plenty of men out there happily involved in equal relationships. You lot are perfectly welcome to not reproduce and die out. Problem solved!

  • sarahgray

    There’s no evidence of this.

  • Katharsis

    That sounds pretty paranoid to me….

  • RubberPunch

    A patriarchal society helps everyone where there is no strong central state. A family, or household structure helps societies to continue to exist, even in situations where the central power is not available (natural disasters for instance), or being restructured (political revolutions).

    Destroying fatherhood and households with adult males, has helped reducing the risk of organized social dissent in the west. This method was effectively used against the black communities in the U.S, and was later expanded to include everyone in the working class.

    The only reason marriage is still a thing is private ownership of means of production. Marriage is meaningless for the working class, it has no benefit for working class men.

    Later it has been used as a tool of imperialism, in areas where a natural disaster has put stress on households, aid has been deliberately withheld from males for instance.

  • TefEx

    The videos of the conference show exactly what the feminists nearly hemorrhaged over. Is it the talking? clapping? Oh, it must be the bad lighting and distorted audio…yes?

  • Chad_Nine

    It’s far more important to focus on the one creepy guy than the issues brought up at the conference.

  • Kimski

    In the case of lesbian relationships? Yes, to the same extend as in hetero sexual relationships. In gay male relationships? No,-just no.
    Know what needs to removed from the equation to get DV against children out of the equation, based on the stats?
    -Well, you can probably do the math from here yourself..

  • Kimski

    Yes. Pretty amazing, when you consider the amount of hysteria that preceeded these people meeting and talking together, right?

    Well, at least you managed to get your emotional fix at the DoubleTree, because I don’t see ANY feminists demonstrating on the outside.

  • Kimski

    Considering the violent threats against innocent people for doing their jobs and the demonstration leading up to this moment?
    No, not so much, actually.

  • Kimski

    At least I’m full of something, as opposed to being a vacuus unthinking void of conformism and mindless herd mentality. The fact that you’re all up in arms over a touch on the forearm is becoming increasingly hilarious with each new comment.

  • Illuminati Recruitment Agency

    What does Sting have to do with any of this? Is he going to sing “Every Breathe You Take” to the pervy guy?

  • vanessalynne

    I have heard of you, fidelmoron. You are a misogynistic jackass.

  • humann

    I like this new definition of the “phobia” suffix. that makes you androphobic then no? because you clearly hit the trifecta with your fear, intolerance and hatred of men.

  • TreatPeopleNicely

    If a bunch of men getting together in a room and talking is so inconsequential, then you shouldn’t have any problem with them doing so, right?

  • TefEx

    Egg. Face. Wipe.

  • TefEx

    National recognition of feminists as threatening tantrum-throwing shrills, priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • TefEx

    There there now femies. Just one more day and your meaningless self imposed intensely troubling and traumatic suffering will all go away.

    Tomorrow when the air clears up,
    And the sun comes shinin’ through.
    Ya all be drinkin’ free bubble-up,
    An’ eatin’ that rainbow stew.

    Eatin’ rainbow stew in a silver spoon,
    Underneath that sky of blue.
    All be drinkin’ free bubble-up,
    An’ eatin’ that rainbow stew.

  • iliketurtlez

    Agreed. I really hate when fellow MRAs use the term “mangina”. To me, it’s basically saying “you’re not a real man unless you live up to male gender roles”, which is the exact opposite of what the MRM stands for.

  • Masta solanas

    Feminists crave that victim narrative for women.

  • Guest

    If you act like an idiot, I feel entitled to call you one.

  • Flo

    If they hate men by default, to put them down is my pleasure. In any way possible. It’s called self defense.

  • Flo

    +Auntie Alias “Why are you wearing a bunny costume?”
    Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?

  • muckraker_steve

    Well said. Just knee-jerk paragraphs.

  • PlainOldTruth

    This is real Pulitzer prize material, Danny DeVito. You covered all the issues. And deep, too. A regular Woodward-Bernstein scoop-getter, you are. Congratulations on making the very best of the journalistic possibilities of the press conference, especially your hard-hitting interview with the distinguished Canadian Senator Ann Cools. — Metrotimes rules, dudesters! (But at a cover price of “free” it is still quite a bit overpriced).

  • Masta solanas

    Maybe his dog recently died and your furry arms reminded him of petting his beloved pooch?

  • http://aimaiameye.blogspot.com/ Aimai

    How could a single incident derail a movement? How could a single incident prevent a conference happening at a different time from promoting its own issues and agenda? Where are the discussions, the papers, the publications, the ideas, the actual movement in this movement? Abolitionists, feminists, ethnic rights activists, religious activists have all fought for their communities–staged protests, raised money, built schools, held conferences, published papers. Hell, they fought and died for their causes sometimes. Why is the MRA movement so…pathetic? If you have something to say that is worth hearing why can’t you get your own community to attend?Why do you get thrown off course so easily? I’m seriously confused about this. Dog Walkers and Hair Stylists put on a better conference than this seems to have been, and advance their agendas more seriously.

  • Jimbo Jones

    Or words related to men as putdowns, a common example is “mansplaining”

  • Jimbo Jones

    Incorrect. The majority of those killed in armed conflict are adult men, even when all civilian casualties are included.

  • Kimski

    Obviously, your knowledge about how the music business works can easily be stored on the backside of a penny.

    The incidence Farrel mentions happened BEFORE Sean was born, and as he clearly points out, Ono didn’t have a problem with Lennon taking the time off. The management/record company, to which he was bound by contract, certainly would have a problem with that, as it would lose them money, big time.

    Do you even know which era is defined as the Beatlemania period in the history of popular music???? o.0

  • Jimbo Jones

    What are YOU doing to further the rights of women? I could shoot back the exact same argument at you lol Seriously though, what are you doing.

  • Jimbo Jones

    Sen Anne Cools was a speaker and contributor at the MRA conference……………….. so actually……

  • Masta solanas

    I think he even made some type of pass at Paul Elam. LOL

  • Christopher Michael Moore

    I met the man at the conference mentioned by the author. He was obviously a man in pain, and very lonely. It is a shame that there was not help for him at the conference.

    The author appears to have no intention of actually writing journalism. If he had done a modicum of research, he would have known this day he is talking about is not the first day of the conference, but an extra day not part of the official conference; hence the low numbers. The author alludes to this, but questionably in his tone. This is ingenuous, and shows another example of his lack of journalistic integrity.

  • Mark Wharton

    Equal protection under the law. Male accused are more likely to not remain anonymous before charged. The draft. VAWA. Family court. Really you could just search this site, I’m not gonna write a whole book.

  • Jimbo Jones

    What rights are women actually being denied?

  • Masta solanas

    As if these are just two random women who have had no influence on the feminist movement. Why do feminists play dumb on these issues?

    If it’s not directly accusing all men of being rapists, it’s obliquely suggesting it by “Don’t be that guy” campaigns or “teach men not to rape” slogans.

    Modern day feminist rhetoric is a watered down more subtle version of the radical feminist rhetoric; the modern day message is the same as the old but easier to swallow making it an even more insidious type of poison.

  • Kimski

    Maybe because we have a multi billion dollar industry of perpetual victimhood for women fighting us at every turn, even when we want to discuss issues that in no way relate to or concern women??
    Does that sound like a plausible reason to you, or do you want me to link to all the violent demonstrations perpetuated by the opposition through the last couple of years, to top it off?
    Not to mention the persistent lies to media, the absurd and hateful projections, the violent threats to MRA’s and their family members, and the constant toxic harrasment for having the politically incorrect audacity to view men as human beings??

    Let’s see how well your “Hair Stylists and Dog Walkers” would do in light of that excessive amount of socially acceptet hate, when they have to advance their agenda ‘more seriously’, and then I’ll get back to you on the issue, okay?

    -Or we could just agree right now, that you don’t have a smidgen of a clue about the issues men are facing in “the wonderful world of feminist equality” >i> you live in, okay?

  • Patrick Andrzejczyk

    What a convenient debate. It makes it so easy to ignore the fact the Walton family controls as much wealth as 33.2 million Americans combined.

  • Jimbo Jones

    If there is no such thing as cultural misandry, then how come in every single successful television cartoon series and in most shows with a family dynamic the father is a bumbling idiot (southpark, simpsons, familyguy, etc), and the wives are intelligent voices of reason that hold the house together.

    How come when a man abuses a women in public people become upset, but when a woman abuses a man in public no one cares ? There are several videos of this on youtube.

    How come men are still expected to sacrifice themselves to save women in times of disaster. In the early 1900s (a time supposidly rampant with misogyny) when the titanic sank, 33% of male passengers survived, 75 % of female passengers survived. Men were breadwinners expected to sacrifice themselves to provide and protect their most valuable cargo; the family. Today, women have the same opportunities as men to become breadwinners, yet it is still the man expected to be the human shield. Men were chastised when they didn’t become human shields in the colorado movie theatre shooting.

    Today in dating and relationships, it is the man who must provide for the woman in order for the relationship to progress, even though both genders have equal access to income. As a matter of fact, young women below the age of 30 are actually out-earning their male counterparts as a whole.

    Cultural misandry exists because people who call themselves feminists write lies and spread disinformation about a movement that supports mens human rights.

    Cultural misandry exists because feminists treat the male body like it is a loaded gun.

  • crydiego

    Lee, I understand your leaving the press conference and I understand that guy was scary.
    However, you wrote, “As a heterosexual-white-cisgendered-white male

  • Auntie Alias

    Thanks, Sarah!

  • crydiego

    I messed up my first comment Lee but I just want you to know what you wrote is OK with me, I understand.

  • Kimski

    Yep. Auntie here is a woman. She knows everything there is to know about being a man from personal experience. Comes with being the ‘Butch’ in her relationships, from what I understand. ;)

  • Geary

    So they waited over an hour after the conference started, with a very small crowd, to ask a creepy guy molesting people to leave? And the ‘big’ conference didn’t even have one security guard?

  • Geary

    MRM in theory and MRM in practice don’t really seem to be the same ‘movement’.

  • Geary

    The MRAs are invading in full force, it seems. You’re not even allowed to be ambivalent about their whining, anything less than full-fledged support makes you a sissy misandering femnazi mangina.

  • http://au.avoiceformen.com/ Jim Muldoon

    So, you are against this movement. You are at their press conference, with other members of the press there. You are sexually molested by someone at the conference. But you say nothing? You don’t call the police and have the molester arrested? And in that empty hall (you make that point a number of times) no one sees this molesting going on?

    Not buying it.

    And touching your arms is sexual molestation? You should get a pregnancy test.

  • Tom Jones

    The first International Men’s Rights Conference is an historical event. History is watching, and this article, written by Lee DeVito, will forever be quoted and referred too as yellow journalism at its worst. It should be understood that this press conference was held the day before the event was actually scheduled to begin. Thirty people at a press conference does not indicate the true number of attendees. The majority will arrive when the event actually begins on Saturday. As for the “molester”, this young man, unfortunately suffered from a mental illness. He is another example of so many young men, in our society, who are lost and in need of help. This is why Detroit was chosen; it’s ground zero for all the broken men in our country who are being ignored. This lonely young, forgotten man wandered into the Detroit VFW Post to be apart of the gathering. He posed no harm to anyone; but, because Lee DeVito made such a big issue of being “molested at a men’s conference”, this poor-lost soul was asked to leave. Perhaps one day at a future conference, help will be available for people like this young man. I hope Lee DeVito is pleased with himself. Too me, a disservice has been done to everyone who’s trying help people like this, and bring attention to the plight of forgotten men everywhere.

  • beentheredonethat

    Look into Auntie Alias’s activity using said account across the entirety of the inter-web where said service is available. Her pattern of behavior, bias and stance on ANY topic relating to men and women reveals a bone saturating depth of sexism & bigotry that makes her unworthy of any fair conversational expectations or attention. She has nothing to contribute, save for standing as a shining and example of the term MAN HATER

  • Auntie Alias

    Blah, blah, easily-debunked talking points.

    Entitlement to harass, beat and rape women and entitlement to be given hiring preference over women, for starters.

  • Auntie Alias

    PUAs and the MRM.

  • Auntie Alias

    “As for the “molester”, this young man, unfortunately suffered from a mental illness. He is another example of so many young men, in our society, who are lost and in need of help.”

    In the photo I saw, the man looked to be at least in his 60s. He had a lanyard around his neck with a name tag so he didn’t just “wander” into the conference. There were supposed to be strict requirements in place for presenting ID at the door, too. DeVito wasn’t the only one who this man bothered.

    You do a disservice to men who are harassed and sexually assaulted by excusing their victimizers as mentally ill with no evidence to back it up. Yet when women who have actually been diagnosed with mental illness commit crimes they are vilified by the MRM.

    It’s the typical double standard. The bottom line is the MRM is opposed to male accountability.

  • Erik Wedin

    The VIDEO of the Press conference is online and you can clearly see one security guard. Hint: Black shirt with the words “Security” on the back. Either your eyesight or your credibility just took a dive.

    Also you seem to not realise what a press conference is cause if you did the number of crowds would not be an issue. If you wanna complain…. Do so on the press who either doesnt show up or write crap about a man touching them instead of asking actual questions about the actual issues presented on the press conference.

    You all bashers pretend to be so wise-ass but I dont see a single onf of you capable of debating any of the things actually said. And THIS will be obvious to anyone WATCHING the video instead of reading the biased crap you are writing about it.

  • Erik Wedin

    Thats bullshit! When a person says a guy is wigger thats referring to his eagerness being viewed as black. Not his failure being white. I personally dont like the term Mangina cause it doesnt really refer to anything most people understand. When it comes to anti-male men I prefer to use the term “Kimmel-man” cause they all are just mostly copies of Michael Kimmel. For example Hugo Schwyzer said he knew nothing of gender, he read ONE book from Kimmel and decided to use it to make women admire him for bashing men and presenting himself as reformed bad boy man.

  • Erik Wedin

    Clearly you need to learn about the “Women are wonderful-effect” which was discovered by Alice Eagly 1994. If you did you would already know the gender-relations are a HUGE exception to commonly understood rules regarding dominance and privilege. Academics never bothered to check Alice Eagly discovered this by pure accident while actually looking for negativa bias against women. Using men as a control group and fining out negative bias against men was way worse..

  • Erik Wedin

    “Another MRA attempted rape”

    You must refer to the guy asking a woman to join him for coffee? Thanks to Rebecca Watson we all now know this too be attempted rape.

  • James Nunya

    Really? You need to ask that question? The world is chalk full of nut jobs. From idiots who blow themselves up for an invisible man to idiots who blow up abortion clinics because they’re “pro-life” and morons who think if they get their kids vaccinated it’ll cause them to develop autism. Seriously, the world is full of these whack jobs who’d take the charge gladly for their cause. I’m not saying that this guy was some plant but pretending like Feminists couldn’t get hold of one of these loons is pretty ignorant on your part.

  • W

    Look I’m sorry a guy touched your arm, but its really just plain wrong of you to make that the headline of your piece. As if you are blaming the entire conference for this. This is a hit piece, plain and simple. You keep threatening to almost make sense… talking about how MRA’s and feminists both want equality…. and then you veer off into these weird tangents about how your just don’t like this guy because he didn’t recognize John Lennon. This article says a lot more about you and your biases than it does about the conference. I can tell you think you’re being fair, which actually makes it more disturbing how biased you are. Just look at the headline, look at what you chose to focus on. You’re picking at some thing you disliked and trying to blame all MRA’s everywhere for it. Thats called bias.

  • W

    you don’t need to attack men just to prove you care about women. Are you honestly saying that just because someone treated women bad in the past, that makes it OK to treat men bad now? Because if thats not what you are saying, then how is your comment even related? Why do all these women always say “oh yeah! Welll women are treated bad you know!” as if that somehow is a reason we should NOT care when men are treated bad? We can care about BOTH men and women! This doesn’t have to be a competition!

  • W

    uh… well we just had a conference about those issues. And you know what? It received so many death threats we had to move the venue. We are TRYING to do things but every time we bring up one of our issues we get hit with a tidal wave of hate.

    Short answer: the reason we haven’t done more is because people like you keep sabotaging us without ever asking what our issues are.

  • Greg

    Indeed, very few oppressive regimes have only concentrated their efforts on just women. Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Armin, were all very much gender neutral tyrants.
    As we saw more recently with Boko Haram, girls were held hostage. They just killed the boys. You can’t get much more silenced when they kill you.

  • Kimski

    There’s a HUGE difference between speaking at an event and self-identifying or agreeing with the initiators of said event on everything. To use your own words: Being ‘a friend of a movement’ does not equal agreeing with everything that comes out of that movement. And that works both ways.
    Sorry, but you’re not even close to breaking anything here. Only moronic politicians like G.W.Bush has to fall back on slogans like: “If you’re not with us, you’re against us.” It is extremely narrow minded, at best. Black and white thinking doesn’t work in a grey world, dude.
    Just saying..

  • Greg

    You are blissfully unaware of the need for a paradigm shift in our society. Men don’t have issues, at least that’s the common thought on the subject.
    As is seen by the many anti-MRA statements on this thread.
    You’re obviously forgetting the need to raise awareness first. To get the public attention focussed on issues that effect men & boys. So the first step of any activist is to raise awareness. Then initiate the campaigning for change.
    I hear this a lot “Why don’t you do some real activism?” Simple answer, we would, if it wasn’t for every single time that we try we get branded misogynists, false allegations of threats are made & great efforts are taken to silence us.
    The “Why don’t you do some real activism?” Is a statement filled with cognitive dissonance.
    Even then there are some real grassroots campaigning on issues that effect men & boys. There are groups that campaign to end circumcision, there have been campaigns for equality in the family court system.
    I have been on a few marches & rallies myself. It’s early days yet & the MRM is still pretty much in it’s infancy. Yet you use this fact to denigrate us. Not only is it a double standard & a hypocrisy to take the position that you do. It lacks any sense of understanding & compassion. Therefore it’s quite right when I say, people like you are the reason the MRM is still in it’s infancy.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    And Auntie Alias is back with some more trolling. Looks like your death threats and bomb threats didn’t work Auntie. Try again next year, you must be really pissed off that none of your feminist friends followed through and managed to disrupt this conference. That’s feminism all over through isn’t it, you try and stop other people from being heard that have issues because you don’t want others to share in the limelight. You lot fail to realise other people have issues because you are so wrapped up in your victim complex. Grow up and sod off with your trolling.

  • Greg

    Did you know the person she was accusing was the venerable Richard Dawkins.

  • Auntie Alias

    “I’m not saying that this guy was some plant”

    Good because it’s ridiculous. Feminists wouldn’t stoop to AVFM levels.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    Yeah because you as a feminist are doing exactly the same thing proving not only how dumb feminists are, but how hypocritical they are as well. Nice job at trying to excuse the fact that you had no support to protest. Dispute your little feminist hate groups efforts at trying to scrape up someone to actually do something other than what you are doing now (whining like a little bitch) you ultimately failed. Just like the feminist movement has always done. The lack of any protest shows just how weak and pathetic the feminist movement is.

  • RubberPunch

    The notion that men always want sex, is not a patriarchal concept. It is part of a simplistic view of masculinities, a view shared by traditionalists (which are not traditionalists at all, they are very modern), and feminists (all men are rapists?).

  • Greg

    “Entitlement to rape”.
    I actually laughed at that one. Rape is the second most serious offence of the UK, US, Canadian, Australian & every other first world country’s law books. Second only to murder.
    There is no sense of entitlement you crazy person.

  • Auntie Alias

    Drivel.

  • sarahgray

    Anyone who says that sexual content is *always* something a man (or woman) wants, no matter who initiates it or when it is initiated, is simply put, WRONG. no matter what they call themselves.

  • Kimski

    So, instead of going after the Walton family and others from the top 1% in society, feminism has deliberately chosen to go after the divorced father, living in his car after being thrown out of the house he payed for, and being stripped of the rights of seeing his kids. -The homeless, living on the streets in cardboard boxes, -the veterans abroad being forced through divorces without the ability to be present in divorce courts.-The male students on campus, being dragged through kangaroo courts and excluded on the mere say so of a female student, and the list just goes on and on and on, but basically everyone below the glass cellar and simply based on their gender, nothing else…
    Well, that makes just about as much sense as an supremacist ideology for perceived “inequality”, when that goal has already been obtained more than a decade ago, and that one half of the demographic still doesn’t do their basic share of sustaining the society, but prefer CEO positions and affirmative actions, while claiming to be equal.
    And has gotten away with it…

  • RubberPunch

    I agree.

  • Greg

    “issue of MRAs being threatening, potentially violent”
    Yet it was this men’s rights conference that had to move venue because of threats.
    You insinuation that we wouldn’t change our minds if you provided proof that all these bad things that happen to women (in the case of violence & murder, actually happen to men in greater numbers mind you), are as a result of MRAs & the MRM.
    Why don’t you provide some evidence & test your hypothesis, instead of hiding behind your “You wouldn’t believe it anyway” rhetoric.
    The only occurrence that MRAs had anything to do with violence towards women. Was the ACCUSATION made by a feminist that she was punched by an MRA. How did the MRM respond to this, we put up a reward of $10,000 for any information that lead to an arrest. I actually donated some money towards it.
    Anyway getting back to my point, either provide evidence that we use violence or stop making accusations.

  • Greg

    “One of the founders of PUAhate is a writer over at AVFM – the organization throwing this conference.”
    Evidence please?

  • sarahgray

    I think teaching potential rapists (that’s everyone, not just men) not to rape makes a lot more sense than telling women it’s their fault if they are raped and ignoring the fact that men can be raped.

    Most rapists are men, even if many victims are not women.

  • sarahgray

    How is that funny?

  • Greg

    Yes she did. It just goes to show how bigoted feminism is, when push comes to shove

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com/ Dean Esmay

    You could have talked to security if someone was acting weird. We did eventually find that gentleman, who was obviously lost and mentally ill, and gently asked him to leave. We felt horrible about that because we know there are a dearth of services for such unfortunate souls.

    It is also fascinating that you would not have availed yourself of the free press passses you were offered to the conference itself–instead leaving the impression that the press conference, to which only press was invited, was the entire event. Even though at least two times we informed representatives of the Metro Times that Thursday was a presser and Friday-Saturday were the main event. We are still running today and if you want to know more about the actual conference, or ask someone what the real reason is for the feminist hostility to our event, you could try, you know, asking in person. We’ll look for someone at Metro Times today. As one of the local organizers, I’ll make sure you or whoever you send who presents valid credentials get in.

    A bit of history is being made here, it would be a shame if you decided to just mock a mentally ill man, mock an event you did not actually attend, and pretend you did your job as a reporter.

  • G&PT

    Wonder where they have learned that from?

  • sarahgray

    “This is why Detroit was chosen; it’s ground zero for all the broken men in our country who are being ignored. ”

    In that case, why is the conference not in Detroit?

  • sarahgray

    What violent threats? The hotel and VFW have certainly not accused anyone of making threats, DPD says there were no substantiated threats, and SCS police say no threats have been made on the VFW.

  • Kimski

    Sorry, can’t answer, even though I already left you a reply. I’m being censored here, but that’s nothing new.

  • G&PT

    Typical feminist claiming to speak for every feminist out there when it suits. Thought it was only MRAs that did that? I’m open minded enough to accept that false flag attacks can come from all sides. You’re closed minded and believe that your side is above that and at the same time it’s a prime tactic of the other side.
    Oh and conspiracy nuts? That’s rich coming from someone who thinks the whole issue of threats against the original venue was a conspiracy by AVFM, who even risked serious implications by faking a letter from hotel. Presumably you also feel MRAs would risk criminal charges playing the part of threatening or even violent feminists?

  • Kimski

    *Crickets!*

  • G&PT

    Remember though, the violent threats were all just made up by AVFM to provoke a response and make money, even going to the level of faking a letter from the hotel. That said, that does sound a bit like paranoid conspiracy theory too doesn’t it?

  • G&PT

    Anyone can buy a ticket. There is no background check to make sure they say who they say they are, just like any event like this. Not saying he was a plant, but it can’t be dismissed just like that.

  • Auntie Alias

    I don’t suspect MRAs (plural); I suspect one particular MRA. AVFM has a sordid history of spreading lies and making false accusations. 4chan tends to be the initiator of false flags but MRAs get sucked in and then when they find out it’s a hoax, they think it’s hilarious, like #EndFathersDay.

    AVFM also has a track record of using violent rhetoric while modern feminism does not. (And, no, RadFemHub doesn’t count.) AVFM glorified child abuser Thomas Ball and his terrorist agenda. They regularly dox and harass women. Given this history and the pitiful imitation of a business letter, it’s entirely plausible the threats originated with AVFM.

  • sarahgray

    That’s not what organizers of the conference have been claiming.

    You need photo ID to pick up your tickets.

  • G&PT

    They will probably also be quick enough to cherry pick the negatives from those who did bother to attend too. Surprised this piece hasn’t already been picked up by other journalists.

  • Kimski

    How about “inconvenient and embarrasing”, before you bring out the pitchforks and torches and lynch a man with obvious “issues”?
    You know, the same “issues”-excuse perpetually used in criminal courts, when women kill their kids?

  • Auntie Alias

    If they don’t feel men are entitled to rape, they sure spend an inordinate amount of time defending rapists and vilifying rape victims.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    Yes your posts are, why don’t you take your trolling elsewhere no one wants to hear your shite

  • Janet Wilkinson

    Yeah sounds remarkably like feminism to me.

  • G&PT

    Photo ID proves you are who you say you are, and that you are the person who bought the ticket, it proves nothing about who you are. It does mean the organisers have an accurate record of exactly who has attended, which is useful if any unlawful event takes place. Since no unlawful event has taken place then this is irrelevant.

  • sarahgray

    If they know who this guy is, can’t they determine whether he’s a plant?

  • TefEx

    Because a group of all-knowing always-right and nationally-loved feminists peacefully protested in front of a world-known hotel and sincerely delivered a well-meaning petition that was immediately embraced and it enlightened the hotel manger and staff as to the hate-group status of AVfM and thus the conference was cancelled.

    There, do you feel better for the first time now?

  • Janet Wilkinson

    But feminists like you will stoop to phoning in death threats and bomb threats and trying to stop men talking about their issues. You are a complete moron. No men’s rights activist has ever tried to stop feminists talking about their issues. Yet feminists have constantly tried to stop men. Just shows you how delusional you are doesn’t it. You can’t even see the facts in front of your eyes. You need counselling….seriously.

  • rowedscholar

    I love this response. It is classy and calls out the biased and prejudiced view of the “person” who wrote this “opinion piece”. (He is neither a journalist, nor is this a review of the conference.) Feminism is about open mindedness and equality. This piece honors neither of those traditions. How is it possible that such a snarky and irrelevant jumble of sentences with its misleading headline is the best this publication can do? And yet because the misrepresentations he belches out here, with shockingly narrow minded preconceptions regarding mens human rights, are consistent with the the politically correct orthodoxy, he is held to no journalistic standards. The very fact that he brags about leaving the press conference before it was over should have immediately excluded his “ramblings about an event I went to, the point of which I think I really kind of missed, then got bored with, but also if I’m honest with myself, I couldn’t actually listen to very carefully lest it upset all of my delicate irrational orthodox feminist views of the world and also because I might not be able to use the low quality jokes I wrote before I even heard what they had to say because then they might not actually work very well, which I thought were real zingers, but I guess kinda weren’t that funny after all” from publication. Does the metro times publish music reviews of the symphony by reviewers who are known haters of classical music and who leave after the overture? It would appear that they do.

  • James Nunya

    I think you have an undeservedly high opinion of your fellow feminists. I mean, you’re allowed to be as zealous and devoted to your cause as you want. But I’m concerned for you. You seem to underestimate the level of hatred your allies ooze from their pours. And if you ever see it for yourself then I fear the shock may be more than you can handle.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    Considering so many feminists were sucked into that hashtag and thought it was real, your argument falls flat on its face. It was feminists who in their droves believed it was real and then subsequently demonstrated to the world how just how fucked up feminists are and how ignorant the people claiming to be a feminist are. Even radical feminists were criticising regular feminists as being uneducated and ignorant when that hashtag was trending. It tells us a lot when even your own side are laying into you and telling everyone how moronic you are.

  • Kimski

    Far more interesting that the author is now a molestation-enabler for not reporting being touched on his forearm to the right forearm authorities, thereby putting others in imminent danger of being touched on their forearms.
    I can already imagine all the rage in the headlines when this reaches the mainstream media:

    “Man Touched On The Forearm!! -Read all about it!!”

    One can only wonder if the author of this hit piece has ever spent a single second on the subway during rush hour in his entire life, and how he managed to get out of that seriously life threatening situation, without lasting scars on his soul and trauma treatments by mental healthcare professionals afterwards.

  • TefEx

    BREAKING NEWS!

    Feminists victorious: Rival hate group concedes and leaves the State.
    DETROIT (AP) — Following weeks of strenuous protest, fiery petitions, furious blog posts and damage-control comments on news articles, the feminists scored a victory on Saturday as their arch enemy, A Voice for Men, caved under pressure and terminated their much-despised conference. The group was seen scattering in various directions as they headed for airports and interstate expressways. Its rare for feminists to get their way and this refreshing empowerment has emboldened them to prepare for next year’s ouster, wherever that may be.

  • rowedscholar

    Watch the press conference and you will hear the panelist –each and every one– specifically say what they are DOING! Shelters for abused men, changing laws about paternity fraud and even selling t-shirts or boys education. But the first step is to create an environment where it is safe to talk about unfair family courts for example, without being explicitly or implicitly called a mysoginist or worse. If your interest is genuine, watch the press conference and your questions will be answered. But I suspect you won’t. Just a hunch

  • rowedscholar

    See my comment above if you are really curious watch the press conference. There is a ton being “done” and part of the reason you don’t know about it is the precise reason for the conference–to raise awareness about what is being DONE

  • rowedscholar

    If you say nothing is being done enough maybe it will become true in your mind. The tautology is amazing here. By trying to advertise the accomplishments and the grass roots opportunities for involvement by holding this conference in your mind is “just sitting in a room talking” there is no way to win with you. I listed a few of the things that the community activists are doing above, but watch the press conference if you want to educate yourself.

  • rowedscholar

    Thank for taking the time to list a few of the things MHRM is DOING. I was referring them to watch the press conference, but that would actually take some initiative and we all know that they deserve the information be spoon fed to them because actually pasting the press conference address into their search engine and hitting enter would impose on their entitlement.

  • rowedscholar

    I dispute your claim that men have been the dominant sex for thousands of years for many reasons which have been wonderfully explained in Warren Farrell’s “The Myth of Male Power” I only mention this because your comments seem neither unhinged nor obnoxious and you might actually be interested in hearing a different interpretation of history and perceived male power that is the dominant paradigm now in our era of the “Patriarchy”

  • rowedscholar

    Gentlemen and gentlewomen, Please stop responding to Auntie Alias. She doesn’t warrant a response. Any adult who responds to another adult with blah blah blah deserves no response.

  • rowedscholar

    Hey I just said that! lol not quite so eloquently tho

  • rowedscholar

    Hey didn’t the Duke Lacross accuser just go to jail for murdering her lover? oh, thats right she’s a women and because women aren’t capable of violence she must not have. entitled bitches perhaps…. what an awful thing to call a women.

  • Aldir Gracindo

    Yeah, because caling people pussies is so mysogynistic, whoever does that is a dick!

  • G&PT

    Possibly, but it would be difficult. I mean they know his real name, possibly a few other details (date of birth, address) but how would that show he’s a plant? Yes they could fish around and see what they find about the person online, but a lot of people on both sides of the argument cover their tracks (for good reason often), and someone who is involved in something undercover is likely to be even more careful. Remember, this is AVFM, not the FBI. Also, is it worth it, as no crime was committed and he was delt with?

  • RevSpinnaker

    Wow, what a cheap shot. And way to marginalize the term “molestation.” One of the many issues you fail to address is the Men’s Rights Movement’s focus on child abuse. That’s why Erin Pizzey is so important to the MRM. Feminists deny the existence of maternal child abuse and murder and have picketed and threatened Mrs. Pizzey and her family. Their animosity towards, and political pandering of, children has led America to become #1 in abusers and murderers of children in the industrialized world.
    So-called crimes against women originate from the same place as any other crime, child abuse. Want to stop violence against women, start by ending violence against children.

  • Gman0730

    Seriously…. ? We have and we have lost the rights to our children, been destroyed in the media, lost our homes and everything that we have worked for. By the way, we are doing something… before you post such things, please do your homework.

  • ☥Neith☥

    It is if that was the only thing you “didn’t enjoy” about it. ;)

  • ☥Neith☥

    I came here. I read this article. I read the comments. I have lost hope in humanity.

    1. We men need a conference to talk about how great we are and how many problems we face? When do we start to talk about the multitude of problems we’ve started?
    2. People don’t seem to quite understand what, exactly, MRM is. It’s quite sad, but also quite funny to try and peg the comprehension level of some of these nudnicks commenting below.
    3. The last time I saw ONLY men meeting together, it was in the woods, they were nude under robes, and they were praying to some Fire Owl, calling him the Devil. Then they had a circle jerk. I’m guessing this conference went a little something like that.

    AND MOST IMPORTANTLY:
    4. “Farrell even paraphrased feminist Betty Friedan’s “desire for something more,” but swapped the genders.” LMFAO! This is so amazingly egregious, my face literally hurts from laughing at thinking how serious this condom failure was for having the gull to get up, in public, and try to respectfully give that speech. Funniest part? Knowing he actually meant it.

    All in all, it’d be great if BOTH sexes just stfu up about WANTING equality and started GIVING it. Then, we probably would need to have stupid meetings like this, or “Mangina’s” or “Feminazi’s”.

    We Men Woman Haters Club! Nothing but boys that got older but never grew.

  • Alex Neo

    I’m amazed Esmay’s post hasn’t been deleted. Truly.

  • Alex Neo

    Its sexist to call people by their genitalia, that guy is a such a dick!

  • Alex Neo

    You’re right, and thats a compliment. I’m a misogynistic jackass too! There are millions of us out there, mhaaaaaaaaa

  • CletusBeauregard

    MT: is this going to be updated each day?

  • Alex Neo

    The victim narrative is the only thing they have, blow that and the whole show is over.

  • Alex Neo

    Can you indulge us in a single example of women being silenced? I only ever see them getting every goodie, cash and prizes and attention under the sun.

  • ☥Neith☥

    It’s basically a bunch of men metaphorically sucking each others dick? Don’t get any gayer than the MRM, I guess!

    I’m a gay man, and I can tell you, I’d never be caught 3 days dead in a place like that.

    Sirs, what you do is queer. By your own definitions of the term.

  • TefEx

    That is why the feminists tried so hard to prevent their meet, talk and suck session. It simply digested them.

  • Auntie Alias

    No feminists are suspected of phoning in threats.

    “No men’s rights activist has ever tried to stop feminists talking about their issues.”

    Wrong. That’s what doxxing and harassment is intended to do.

    Siding with men who hate women makes you the moron, dear.

  • Long Shanks

    You have to be genuinely and deeply disturbed to use shaming tactics that are insulting to yourself. As a gay man you should be well aware of how rigid and suffocating traditional notions of masculinity are, and how ruthlessly they are enforced on men. For you to use the same tactics your well of self-loathing must be deep indeed. You should have come to the conference. It could help you.

  • TefEx

    Yeah, what violent threats. After today, that topic will NEVER be raised again. What would be the point?

  • Long Shanks

    As many others have said, this is such poor journalism. I’ve grown to expect the harsh anti-MRM bias in the media but this is just so petty, shoddy and low that it makes you look very bad. You people have reached the point of school yard bullies driven by id-level meanness. It’s such a feeding frenzy of ridicule that you don’t even care how you look anymore. You look bad and you make journalism look bad.

  • Mikke

    Farrell spoke for a full 20 minutes total… He was the first out of 11 speakers at an over 2 hour press conference. Lee DeVito apparently counts himself as present at this event despite catching only 10-15 minutes. Instead of moving to a different seat due to the weirdo next to him, he just left as apparently he had gotten what he came there for. DeVito, if you were working for me handing in something like this, you’d be jobless right now. Your writing and work ethic isn’t worth a dime.

  • Jimbo Jones

    Exactly, nothing.

  • Righteous Indignation

    You will remember to donate $20 to AVFM to cover bandwidth costs. Right?

  • Jimbo Jones

    So feminists saying to MRAs “IF you’re not with us, you’re against us” is narrow minded? Good to hear that , it lightens my heart.

  • Jimbo Jones

    Lol if its easily debunked, then go ahead, because the fact is, it cannot be debunked. Go ahead. Please.

  • Jimbo Jones

    The only entitlement I see is your entitlement to be a victim.

  • Susie Parker

    “It was at this point that I realized this is the kind of creepy shit women deal with … everywhere … every day.”

    What “creepy shit” might that be? Being hit on by a homosexual? Someone of your own gender? Homophobe much?

    It’s no more “creepy” than being hit on by any other person you aren’t attracted to.

  • Jimbo Jones

    Comparing PUA to the MRM is like comparing feminism to plenty of fish lol

  • Susie Parker

    Men can’t have an abortion, like you can, Amanda. No choice for men. A twelve year old girl doesn’t even have to tell mommy and daddy she’s getting an abortion because SHE had the adult choice to have a “get out of jail free card” after she became pregnant. Or SHE can have the guy forced into life long child support, even though she will never be forced to work a day in her life if she doesn’t want to.

    She can keep on having baby after baby, and some man will be forced to pay for it. Not her.

    The person with the only “choice” has the least responsibility. She can “choose” life or death for an innocent child. She can choose to enslave a man to pay for her mistakes. She can adopt off without his permission. She can drop the kid off at a fire or police station. She can put it in a dumpster.

    How’s that for beginners? Signed up for the Draft, are ya? How many of your best friends from high school have been killed or mentally damaged in Iraq or Afghan?

  • Auntie Alias

    Wrong.

  • Righteous Indignation

    No worries, I just made the donation on your behalf as you clearly need the education.

  • TefEx

    This is the last in a string of failed attempts to discredit and demonize AVfM. The feminist gun is out of ammo and they can’t reload. Its over.

  • Auntie Alias

    No thanks. I have better things to do with my time.

  • Auntie Alias

    “Feminists deny the existence of maternal child abuse and murder”

    False.

  • Auntie Alias

    Bigotry and stupidity are a bad combination.

  • Guesto

    Hmm, seeing as he was hitting on a man at the conference, *maybe* you aren’t his type.

  • Guest

    Thank you for being the first person to bother answering the question. (I notice that none of those start with “Kimski has been…” though ;-P Or even a “I have been….”)

    As for the “you” you’re accusing… there is more than one “Guest” here.

  • Guest

    This. The fact that this exists, or existed. This is why people think MRAs are assholes. Do feminists have a database of men that have spoken out against them, full of their personal information so that they can be stalked and harassed? Not last I heard.

  • Guest

    The proof is on twitter, which you don’t have to join to look at. You refuse to go look at it, because you’re an obstinate ass.

    What part of that didn’t you understand?

  • A

    What the fuck are you talking about? Not all females blame men for society’s ills. Not all men blame women. But yeah, the people who identify as feminists or MRAs tend to blame each other.

    I believe in equal rights for the sexes. Some people would say that makes me a feminist. Some might say it makes me a humanist. Some might even say that makes me a men’s rights advocate. Kinda just depends on who they think is getting a raw deal.

  • Jimbo Jones

    Thanks for proving my point. Can’t tell if troll or stupid.

  • A

    I will look into it, thanks. There are definitely societies that are traditionally matriarchies or are more egalitarian, I was thinking specifically of the development of western society (though thousands of years is probably an overstatement since our version of society hasn’t been around that long.)

  • Geary

    I wasn’t aware their was a video, and I don’t feel inclined to watch rape advocates yammer on for hours on end.

    That being said, exactly what type of security did they hire who wasn’t even paying the slightest attention to the audience to miss a dude molesting at least four people?

  • Guest

    You’re the one who wanted to see a police report to prove that it happened, dipshit.

  • Guest

    Turns out the guy got booted the next day, because he kept behaving inappropriately. WHO’DA THUNK.

  • Geary

    So a victim of rape is a rape-enabler if they don’t report it? A victim of violence is a violence-enabler if they don’t report it? Your MRAs sure are in victim-blaming mode 24/7, aren’t you?

    The point of this article is very clear: The press conference was a flop. Farrell droned on well past his allotted hour, attendance was pitiful, and the only notable event was a creepy dude walking around and molesting people.

  • http://twitter.com/nferno nferno

    The very last sentence prior to that paragraph was: “The dude kept petting my arms.”
    The headline of the article “I was molested at the Men’s Rights Conference”

    Seems to me the creepy shit is being unwillingly continuously touched by a stranger.

    You ask a question and then essentially answered it yourself and threw accusations of homophobia.

  • Guest

    OR…he saw the words “Mens Conference” and misinterpreted. Thought it sounded like a lovely time.

  • Guest

    How convenient to announce that anyone who makes your group look bad is a “plant”.

  • Guest

    If the feminist movement is weak and always failing, why do you need to spend so much energy fighting against it?

  • RevSpinnaker

    Then why is it not included in the feminist definition of “domestic violence?” Why have feminists attacked and threatened Erin Pizzey for even mentioning female and maternal violence? For decades!?!?

  • Kimski

    You’re obviously delusional. I’m watching Stephan Moyneux rocking the house big time right now, and laughing out loud while he’s taking a piss on you guys. It’s a 3 day event, but you obviously didn’t know that, did you now?
    The fact that you even took that comment above seriously says all I need to know about your mental state of mind.
    Seek help. You need it.

  • Kimski

    Well, they fit the profile, so..

  • G&PT

    Well yes, but the use of plants and dismissing of troublemakers as plants is not uncommon. I’ve been involved with enough activism (mostly animal and environmental) to see it on both sides, including cases where there is proof there are plants causing trouble. From experience though, this does have a lot of hallmarks of a classic plant. Open access event or forum. New person/s causing the trouble, not established member of group or organisation. Nothing bad enough to go to the police. Actions of troublemaker/s publicised in way that makes whole group look bad, especially when negative eyes are already on group. Delt with promptly and properly when brought to attention of group. All of that together also makes for something pretty convenient too.

  • Kimski

    Not even worthy of a reply.

  • Kimski

    FU, Clusterf*ck. I’ve been laughing at all of you all day long yesterday, but you’re simply not entertaining enough for me to do it two days in a row.
    Have a nice day, while you stew in your anger over a touch to the forearm.

  • Chiquitobot

    oh yeah god forbid anyone require multiple sources before they believe something. god forbid. As we know feminists are more than happy to lie that’s a completely reasonable approach.

  • Auntie Alias

    Where is this feminist definition of domestic violence? I want to see it.

    Erin Pizzey is a misogynist who blames domestic violence on the women who are victimized.

  • Kimski

    Here we go again.. o.0
    And the evidence, if you don’t mind?

  • Kimski

    You really do believe they would spill the beans on an ongoing investigation to any random individual, calling them up on the phone, don’t you?
    I feel somewhat sorry for you. As soon as some authority figure, as well as an author of a hack piece, obviously, tells you something, you just buy it hook, line, and sinker, am I right?
    Ever heard about critical thinking in Women’s Studies 101?
    No, of course not.

  • RevSpinnaker

    It’s called VAWA. You’ve never heard of it? Feminists buried Barbara Boxer’s Violence Against Children Act.
    Erin Pizzey is a lifelong Children’s Rights Advocate who blames perpetrators, regardless of gender.
    How do feminists address the fact that American women kill more of their own children than any other mothers in the industrialized world?
    We hear a lot about “rape culture” yet there are many other countries with a much worse situation, Nigeria and India for starters. Where is the angry feminist sound-byte for “child murder culture?” Where is the same level of angst driven animosity.

  • vic ory

    HOORAY FOR OPPRESSION OLYMPIC PISSING MATCHES INSIDE ARTICLE COMMENT SECTIONS

    The usual suspects are here spouting the same song and tune
    -MRAs are wrong. Feminists are right.
    -Feminists are wrong. MRAs are right.
    -Here comes the whiny MRAs storming the comment secotion. LOL MALE TEARS
    -B…b…but guys feminisim helps m..m..men too. I’m superdupercereal, even though I don’t present any evidence. Why won’t anyone believe me?!?!?!?!
    -Ghandi quote coming through
    -Paul Elam! Paul Elam! Paul Elam! Paul Elam! Paul Elam! Paul Elam!
    -Time to make generalizations because the person I’m arguing with annoys me

    All of you wasting so much time and effort arguing with each trying to be right. Image what you people could actually accomplish if you got together like adults and tackled the issues you’re concerned about. But hey, trying to get the last comment in and thinking how you sure showed that person you’ll never meet must be worth it.

  • rowedscholar

    To me exploitation was never really an issue that was gender based but far more class/economically based. Throughout history men and women have been exploited and denied rights equally but the manifestation of the denial of those rights varied by gender. Women may not have had the right to vote, but neither did most men for much of history and yet they were sent into the mines and factories and tobacco fields without any recourse. Women may have been prisoners in the home but men were the prisoners of the battlefield. The narrative that the power elite were patriarchs and therefore all men shared in that power does not hold up historically. Women and men held power in different ways and were robbed of their rights in different ways but unless you were a prince or factory owner, you had little power as a man.

  • Auntie Alias

    VAWA is American legislation not a feminist definition.

    “How do feminists address the fact that American women kill more of their own children”

    Without knowing the exact numbers, I’d say it’s likely because more women are primary caregivers than men are.

    The situation in other countries doesn’t remove the need to address sexual violence in Western countries.

  • RubberPunch

    I have nothing. I just wanted to get that last comment

  • Jill Drnek

    “Did the protesters feel they were victorious because of the venue change from Detroit?”
    Yes

  • Roberto Matus

    threat? where did I say I would do something to this man? I’m just kindly inviting him to end his own life. Geez, are you stupid.

  • RevSpinnaker

    VAWA is feminist legislation. Their first prominent lie was 1 in 71 men are raped in their lifetime. It’s more like 1 in 6 to any professional in the field. They arrived at that stat by skewing the telephone interviewing process and discounting men for arbitrary reasons.

    “Without knowing the exact numbers, I’d say it’s likely because more women are primary caregivers than men are.”

    In other words you, as a feminist, refuse to deal with this predominantly female criminal act against children.

    Thanks for making my point. Remember Clarence Thomas and the feminist sound-byte “men just don’t get it” regarding sexual harassment? Your typical response can be summed up like this, “It’s not that feminist’s just don’t get it, with regards to maternal child abuse and murder, they just don’t care.

    “The situation in other countries doesn’t remove the need to address sexual violence in Western countries.”
    Could have sworn I just heard the president address the Mary Koss- N.O.W. trumped up college rape stats. Why won’t feminists get him to address the child murder and abuse epidemic in America too?

  • G&PT

    Erm, I was actually agreeing with you. Suppose sarcasm doesn’t work well on the internet though. The last sentence was intended to try and help in that respect.

  • abrahamfranklin

    Callow article…….maybe THE REASON many men have not gotten to Detroit is that–though they might like to be there–many men do not have the time and money too take time off and spend money to discuss how to fight for a society more fair in its rhetoric,its media,its laws…its attitude toward MEN.Kind of ironic………That’s why I am not there–THIS year.I hope there will be another next year.This reporter’s casual dismissal of the issue proves,sadly, the need for a conference like this will still be there!

  • John Garay

    so as the panel just pointed out when it comes to proper activism. when you find people are posting wrong information to send a letter to the editor. Btw this news paper has their phone number so if you haven’t done so yet call the news paper and talk to the editor or send a email.

  • earth one

    LOL – look who’s wasting “so much time and effort” – your comment contributed nothing, unless griping is considered ‘something.’

    Thanks for noticing the Ghandi quote, I posted it. :)

  • Auntie Alias

    “Their first prominent lie was 1 in 71 men are raped in their lifetime. It’s more like 1 in 6 to any professional in the field.”

    Isn’t that simply a result of how rape is defined by the FBI?

    “In other words you, as a feminist, refuse to deal with this predominantly female criminal act against children.”

    Dude, are you serious? I’m not the law. I’m not even American.

  • Auntie Alias

    You mean the bogus Ghandi quote.

  • RevSpinnaker

    “I’m not the law. I’m not even American.” THAT’S your excuse!
    Yes but you ARE a feminist. Tell me how feminist organizations the world over are leading the way to end child abuse and murder. Otherwise you prove my point.

  • earth one

    Lol, chatter on… ;)

  • GP

    Really? For decades? Who are these feminists constantly trying to attack her? And who are the feminists denying maternal child abuse and murder?

  • GP

    I’m guessing they were going on official statistics instead about the number of men who came forward stating they had been raped (should they have made up a number?)

    You guys ALWAYS talk about NOW but I personally don’t know anyone who is a member nor had I ever heard of them until an MRA basically said the same shit you did. You can’t pretend that rape isn’t epidemic in the same post as your complaint that “men are raped too!” It makes you sound like the asshole you are, Rev.

  • Tom Jones

    You, and all the gender supremacists, will have to find a new theme. Things are about to change for the better.

  • RevSpinnaker

    GP, Erin Pizzey started the first “women’s shelter” in England way back in the sixties. She was hounded by feminists for including women in the domestic violence discussion as perpetrators. She was picketed, had death threats against herself and family, they even shot her family dog. This is well documented by police and the press. Please tell me what feminists advocate against maternal child abuse and murder. It is the most common kind and I have yet to hear a feminist say a thing about it. Almost like they feel “entitled” to it.
    The term neonaticide was coined 30 some years ago to define child murder within the first 24hrs. a uniquely American phenomenon. It still doesn’t register on spell checks.
    But we’ve all heard of “rape culture.”

  • GP

    …Not having any ability to vote, influence legislation in a foreign country let alone any government bodies is a pretty good reason to state that Auntie doesn’t have influence over how the US handles child abuse and child murder.

    What’s your excuse? FYI – you know who pushed to get the FBI definition of rape changed in 2012? Feminists. And they fought pretty fucking hard to get it where it is. You can thank the FBI for not including female-on-male rape.

    If you weren’t so busy whining about feminists on message boards you could probably do this research yourself and heck, maybe even go make a difference in the world.

  • Auntie Alias

    Haha. Dream on.

  • GP

    Yup, sooo many legit + 100% real death threats. Thank god the cops were there. Because they were hired to do so. Not because anyone had reported any threats. Including venue, hotel, or…anyone. But Paul Elam said it was true so you should give him more money and call more people trolls.

  • GP

    Yup, Press is finally catching on to what pathetic liars you are. Nice turnout, btw. Good thing the cops were there to protect you from the nobody that threatened you and the no one that showed up to protest.

  • GP

    Naw, we’re pretty good at the being self-critical thing. But like, old men getting touchy is just good clean friendliness in MRAland.

  • earth one

    Because “X” happened to women at some point in time, it’s ok for women to attack, smear, harass and threaten men and women speaking about the issues faced by men and boys…and you’re not joking.

    I think that’s called playing the victim, and using your victim status to justify perpetrating abuse against another class of people. That pretty much explains the point of view of everyone who engaged in harassment against the organizers of this conference. Nice work.

  • RevSpinnaker

    The FBI didn’t include female on male rape because, “you know who pushed to get the FBI definition of rape changed in 2012? Feminists. And they fought pretty fucking hard to get it where it is.”
    And they got it just where they wanted it didn’t they.

  • GP

    I know exactly who Pizzey is and she was harrassed because she victim-blamed abuse victims. And no one gives 2 shits about her except to call her an asshole these days. Please tell me when the last time she was “threatened” was, exactly?
    Also, ANY feminist organisation against child abuse and child murder is against women hurting their children. Duh?

  • GP

    …you’re an idiot. Do you even know what the definition of rape was before then? And who wrote it? A bunch of male law enforcers. Keep it up Rev, you’re preaching the good word of MRA stupid.

  • GP

    “So many feminists” is how many? Maybe you should make fun of people with PSTD or rape victims some more. Your comment history seems to suggest that is your forté.

  • automaintaining

    The conference went really well thanks and we will double every year. Promise Amanda. x :)

  • RevSpinnaker

    GP, my sister was a card carrying member of N.O.W. in the 70′s. She hates men even more now than she did then.

    “I’m guessing they were going on official statistics instead about the number of men who came forward stating they had been raped (should they have made up a number?)”
    They did make up the number, 1 in 71, as much a lie as the “Super Bowl spike in domestic violence” myth.
    And who’s asking men to come forward about rape? I was 30 years ago and was told by feminists I deserved to be raped as a five year old.
    Hey, GP, did you hear about the 186 boys kidnapped by ISIS a few weeks ago? You won’t, they’re not girls so they don’t count. Even with rumors of beheadings feminists can’t put a patriarchal spin on it so it didn’t make the news… let alone a politically motivated hash-tag bandwagon to jump on.

  • automaintaining

    Well once you have told everyone what a real man is we can start sorting them out. Eh Auntie? Conference went really well. Real issues affecting real people. Men, Women and Children. You are pathetic :)

  • Jimbo Jones

    Yea, feminist extremists do fit the profile.

  • automaintaining

    Brilliant. Bravo Sir.

  • RevSpinnaker

    “Also, ANY feminist organisation against child abuse and child murder is against women hurting their children. Duh?”
    Duh, then it should be real easy for you to provide at least one citation. But you can’t because they don’t exist and you know it. Given your profanity laden comment about Erin Pizzey it’s obvious you are a typical feminist child abuse apologist.

  • automaintaining

    The conference went really well thanks and we will grow every year. Promise Amanda. x :)

  • RevSpinnaker

    And you’re sounding a lot like the Toronto feminists who protested Warren Farrell’s talk. You wouldn’t happen to have clown-like red hair would you?

  • Susie Parker

    This guy sounds like an eighth grader – creep shaming another man? Fer reals, dude?

  • Susie Parker

    Since when is an adult man “creeped out” by another adult man in a public venue like he’s an eight grade school girl? Is that how this adult man “feels” like a “woman”?

    I’m an adult woman and I can certainly hold my own against any woman that hits on me during a feminist conference.

    LOTS of “feminists” hit on other women. Does THAT negate the entire women’s movement?

    You two seem to have gotten your panties in a bunch over nothing.

    Talk about being creeped out…GROW UP!

  • Susie Parker

    Why isn’t the feminism = equality movement doing anything about it, sister?

    This is your SONS life we’re discussing here.

  • Emahray Trolle

    Well put Dean.

    MSNBC has an article on you guys now.

  • ReyekoMRA

    My initial response to you is “go f___ yourself”. Not because of anything to do with what you said about the actual conference but what you had to say about that ‘creepy’ man. I work near a home for the mentally disabled and deal with these people every day, I see your kind too. The kind of person who sees them as nothing but creepy, or scary, or disgusting or just as a nuisance. I talk to them and hear their stories of being made fun of and being kicked out of stores for no reason other than the people running the store don’t like them being there. One of the biggest problems with this society is our refusal to recognize these people as deserving of respect and our societies choice to just see them as nothing but creepy, or scary, or disgusting or just as a nuisance. Thanks for perpetuating that.
    Also:
    “It was at this point that I realized this is the kind of creepy shit women deal with … everywhere … every day.”
    Nice two in one demonization of the mentally ill and men in general all at once there. Your skill is unparalleled.

  • http://twitter.com/nferno nferno

    You make a lot of assumptions, and do a lot of name calling, on top of other juvenile insults and then say grow up. Irony.

  • TefEx

    Its always good to let off steam…

  • Emahray Trolle

    Simple. Feminism is an industry and professional victims (aka “feminists”) make money doing it. Just last week for example, Google Inc. announced plans to donate $50 million towards teaching girls to “code”. The end result will be a bunch of feminist scammers getting rich and zero girls actually learning to code. Similar awards or legal change will never happen for the men’s movement so their activism will be largely individual men turning away from the system en mass. As for publications the entire body of feminist work is not worth the paper it’s printed on. History will laugh at you.

  • Anonymous

    1. There were definitely 300+ people at the two days of the conference proper, though not the press conference panel on Thursday.
    2. The flirty homosexual gentleman hit on me Friday and was unfortunately such a nuisance he was eventually removed. He said he was not an MRA and seemed pretty unfamiliar with the issues. He handed me his card promoting his supposed film and theater projects, one alleged to be on Broadway. He seemed to be a guy just cruising for men and came across a conference with the word “Men” in the title so he thought it’d be somehow appropriate in his mind. If you’re an attractive man gay guys hit on you. I just deal with it. It’s just life. Has nothing to do with the men’s issues or the conference.

  • TefEx

    Uh oh. For some reason, the feminist are so prickly nit picky with these numbers. They say the conference was hardly attended and the movement is weak. Then they turn around and say the group is violent and dangerous and has many followers. The feminists also say their protest had hundreds of feminists – a flat out lie. Nobody except this small radical foaming group of feminists cares and is paying attention.

  • Jose Rivera

    With all due respect, even if he wasn’t mentally ill, the journalist was not sexually assaulted. There was a time on the bus that a man did start touching me on my arms and shoulders without saying anything. I was disgusted and puzzled, but I didn’t scream sexual harassment even though he did pull hard; I simply moved myself. I thought he was suffering from mental illness (since he did this in front of many people) but I found out he was drunk. That was a lot more severe than what this journalist went through and yet I never thought “Oh my god, I’m in fear of being raped.” If a simple touch without consent is considered sexual harassment or molestation, then man I’ve been molested so many times by women. The only reason feminists point this out is because it’s a MAN claiming he’s been molested by another MAN. If this was a WOMAN who complimented and touched this MAN’S arm at this conference, apparently that would have been seen as nothing out of the ordinary (because apparently she does not pose a threat or the fact that she’s the opposite sex). You talk about double standards, yet looking at this, it’s quite the contrary where woman oppose female accountability (and female sentences in courts with sexual assault compared to men prove this).

  • Kimski

    Hehe. I see what you did there. You have to teach me that someday. :D

  • Kimski

    That site is not the property of AVfM and haven’t been for a long time now. Others have picked up on the idea and are running it now. Everything listed on those pages are available from police reports, blogs, etc. on the internet, so the files in there are basically only being given a wider audience, that’s all.
    Consider it a public service.

  • Kimski

    No, feminism tends to work as a collective of mindless herd driven individuals. I wouldn’t trust them to come up with anything original, that has not been approved by the rest of said herd of conformists.
    Kind of like the behavioral patterns displayed by 5th grade school girls, only in an older, less mature, version, if you get my drift..

  • Kimski

    Third day, and 250-300 attendees yesterday evening, Auntie.
    You must be just about to blow a fuse by now, am I right? :D

  • Kimski

    Yep. All that whining and moaning, the threat and murder narratives, the hilarious demonstrations, the dishonest writings, and the petitions to stifle free speech, and it didn’t change a thing. Not. A. Thing.
    -Sometimes it just sucks to be a feminist…Big time!

    See you again next year, for the reenactment of the 2014 Show of Hypocrisy and Hysteria, grrrls! ;)

  • Kimski

    Hypocrite!!

  • Kimski

    “Women exist independent of men, and you are not always relevant to the conversations we have.”

    Consider that a two way street. You might as well have addressed the people actively trying to suppress free speech or intruding in every possible male space with that entire last paragraph. You’re not special flawless snowflakes, and your feminist driven agendas are not wanted, where men are trying to solve the issues of men and boys.

  • Kimski

    No, bigotry, hypocrisy, and hatred of the opposite gender are actually quite obvious emotional expressions, when you know what to look out for and pay attention to what people say, instead of trying to figure out what you’re going to say next, because you’re too narcissistic and solipsistic to consider the value of other human beings opinions.
    You should try it someday.

  • Geary

    Do you not know what a press conference is?

  • Kimski

    Oh, so that’s where that smell is coming from.

  • Kimski

    You are a creepy person who stalks articles about hating men.

  • Kimski

    Oh, my…Rawstory? Seriously??
    What’s next? Toilet paper??

  • Kimski

    Heh. They’ll be right there with us, after you’ve dragged them through divorce courts and taken away their children and all assets, because you weren’t “happy” some day.
    Feminism is increasingly turning out to be young women’s worst enemy, and we basically just have to give it a ever-so-slightly nudge in the right direction, every once in a while.
    Nobody will want to reproduce with a white woman from the West within the next decade or two, and the radical drop in the marriage stats over the past 20 years proves that fact to the extreme.
    Meanwhile, I’m planning on buying my own island in the Pacific within the next decade, because I’ve managed to stay single, childless, and out of the debts that comes with it, until something better came along. With my own Island, I’m pretty sure it will, and I can reproduce until the day I die.
    Enjoy your cats and your dildo, as you perpetuate the building of your Idiocracy, with your preferred group of disposable male enablers.
    If you can find any.

  • Ohone

    “MRAs and feminists are more or less fighting for the same things — gender equality. So why can’t they get along?”

    Feminists won’t allow men their own voice in the gender equality movement, feminism is have been covering up and or minimizing paedophilia, DV and rape when it women doing it, feminism legislates against mens rights – the average feminist supports it attacks men that women that speak up about it.

  • Kimski

    Oh, I don’t know. Could be the poster campaign “Don’t Be THAT Guy” that has run over the entire US and Canada these past several months, heavily implying that all men indeed are rapists, and needs to be constantly reminded not to by feminists, as if a HUGE vast majority of us are neither rapists, nor capable of distinguishing between right and wrong ourselves.
    Does that sound like a plausible reason to you, or..??

  • Ohone

    Thats just the urbane dictionary, where feminists make up their own definitions for is.

    A mangina is benevolent sexist that will put men down and even himself down for female or feminist approval.

  • Ohone

    “Shaming a victim and victim-blaming.”

    Feminists have treated and exploited that mentally ill man terribly – standard.

  • Ohone

    That’s because all the men that are killed are counted as combatants.

    When you hear statistic fromfeminist sources they are generally misleading in some way.

  • Kimski

    NAFALT arguments are entirely irrelevant, when ENOUGH feminists are exactly like that, and are able to change the gender related laws poltically by lobbying for increasingly stricter laws, defined by their need for extra and more government fundings.
    You’re basically supporting a group of people that benefit financially from falsifying stats and research, and are handling that material over to both the media and to the elected representatives in politics, to keep the fundings flowing.
    -Also known as a “Useful Idiot”, allthough we much prefer the term “Mindless Sheep”.

  • Kimski

    It’s only funny when it happens to MRA/MRM-related individuals.
    Did you really have to ask that question to know? -Or do you simply completely lack the ability to recognize what kind of people you’re siding with in this??

  • Kimski

    How’s that statement working for you now, knowing that 250->300 attendees were at the conference last night?
    Seems to me those numbers vastly overshadowed the numbers attending the demonstration, and pretty quickly too, didn’t they?

  • Kimski

    Failed?

  • Kimski

    “Those other people” have already been addressed as unreliable and bigoted sources, Auntie. Try something else or keep quiet.

  • Kimski

    /Throws a huge bucket of cold fish intestines over sarahgray:

    -Always a pleasure to be of service, ma’am.

  • Kimski

    Not surprisingly… *Crickets*..-again…

  • Kimski

    Have you EVER linked to any info not coming from a highly biased source in the opposition, to make these kinds of allegations, Auntie?
    -Even just once in your entire life??

  • Kimski

    Leech!..No, let me correct that: Parasite!

  • Auntie Alias

    If every government in the world swore an oath and said Elam was lying, you’d shriek about a feminist conspiracy.

  • Kimski

    Yeah, or I just get too hyped discussing with these moronic and dysfunctional versions of cognitive black holes.
    Sorry, didn’t mean to come down on you above.

  • Auntie Alias

    Puhlease. The comments began with your buddies yelling about false accusations and a feminist plant. Then when they found out the man was asked to leave, suddenly they’re all, “Oh he was mentally ill.”

  • Auntie Alias

    Then why was he asked to leave?

  • Auntie Alias

    So much for compassion for men. Ha.

  • JuanSigma

    I read one and it, in my opinion, seems to have all of the usual feminist-style misrepresentations.

    For example: I do wonder when the pay-gap myth will finally die.

  • Auntie Alias

    It is according to WikiQuote. There’s no record of him saying that.

  • JuanSigma

    ..without realising that the feminist females still despise him for being male.

  • Auntie Alias

    Yes, that’s exactly what Elam is.

    Cool your jets. I never got a chance to watch any of it.

  • Kimski

    Ever seen a house of cards up close? They can reach impressive heights and proportions, when made by the “right” persons, but they’re basically still houses of cards, susceptible to even the most gentle push or breeze.
    Get it now?

  • JuanSigma

    Macho? Do you think that anyone that opposes feminist dogma is automatically ‘macho’?

    I nearly dropped my book of 10th Century English poetry when I read that.

  • JuanSigma

    Feminism says that you are not a real man unless you are a woman.

  • JuanSigma

    Can you point to a feminist conference where a disturbed radical feminist was asked to leave?

    I would imagine their behaviour would attract a medal in such circles.

    The conference organisers said they would have zero tolerance for behaviours not consistent with an academic conference and they have adhered this. Why is that wrong?

  • JuanSigma

    Curiously, of all the people on this thread, you are the one being the most ‘macho’. I find that quite ironic, considering what you have said up-thread.

  • Auntie Alias

    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with asking him to leave. He was making people feel uncomfortable.

    My beef was with the jerks posting here who accused DeVito of making it up and had zero sympathy. Ironically, it was the feminists posting here who felt badly for him.

  • Kimski

    -Or an appointment with a shrink.
    Just sayin’..

  • JuanSigma

    Illogic: Why would someone who takes the time to create shelters for the victims of domestic violence ‘victim shame’?

    This comment is rather desperate, isn’t it…

  • JuanSigma

    … by establishing victim shelters?

  • JuanSigma

    ‘Without knowing the exact numbers’. That says enough on its own.

    You admit that there is a female ‘neonaticide culture’?

  • JuanSigma

    Nicely put.

  • JuanSigma

    Wasn’t there a request for actors, by feminist activists, when they thought the conference was to be in central Detroit? I seem to recall this was reported.

  • Auntie Alias

    Wait. I’m getting her confused with Karen Straughan. Pizzey fought against legislation being introduced in Britain to have DV include abusive and controlling behaviours. She said, “To me, the definition of domestic violence is quite clear: if you are not in fear of your life, you are not suffering it.”

  • Auntie Alias

    No. That’s ludicrous.

  • JuanSigma

    You think we all hate women?

    Can I, equally, assume that you hate men? Or does the tar-brush only work when women hold it?

  • Auntie Alias

    Anyone who hangs out at AVFM has to hate women to stomach the vile misogyny on display.

    You may not assume I hate men.

  • Kimski

    Grasping for straws, just before drowning in his/her own ideological mudbath.

  • Auntie Alias

    Actors for the protest. I never did find out what that was about.

  • Kimski

    “Wait. I’m getting her confused with Karen Straughan.”

    Rolling On the Floor Laughing…Yeah, I can see how mistaking a 75 y/o British woman for a 30-something waitress from Canada might be a problem for you. Really.

  • Kimski

    Plants and false rape accusers, most likely.
    That’s what they did in Vienna the last time, back in -92-93.

  • Kimski

    Knowing you, it will just be a matter of hours, if not minutes, so the comment stays.

  • Kimski

    Considering how often you’ve returned to the subject of conspiracies yourself in this comment section alone, I’m beginning to suspect you as a bit of a nutter yourself, and dismiss your comment as pure projection.

  • Kimski

    Look at the headline, Auntie. You know, they reason you came here in the first place?? Remember now?
    Hello-o?? -Are you there? -How many fingers am I holding up??

  • Kimski

    ..just look under ‘Friendzoned’. It’s right there beneath the pictures of Milhouse Van Houten, Michael Kimmel, and Hugo Schwyzer.

  • Guest

    Come again.. who’s deflecting??

  • Erik Wedin

    ” I don’t feel inclined to watch rape advocates yammer on for hours on end.”

    They should take you to court and sue your ass for that kind of outright lies. You never knows, one of those time the judge has a son who committed suicide and understand you are an evil selfish person just for saying crap like that.

  • Erik Wedin

    Yes, its a presentation for media… But cause of media people being biased WAW-effected liars they do the media themselves… Thus the video showing you are absolutely full of shit and nothing you say trumps the video. Only a blind person believe your crap.

    Let us know when you will refer to what was ACTUALLY said, not your cute little biased impressions! Ohh and when the next newspaper dies cause of lack of readers.. .dont come crying.

  • JuanSigma

    You make a gross assumption about men who oppose feminism and then say that others cannot make gross assumptions about you as a supporter of feminism.

    Do you not see the problem with this?

    Try this out:

    ‘Anyone who hangs out with feminists has to hate men to stomach the vile misandry on display’.

    See? Anyone can do it.

  • Erik Wedin

    Yes I did know that (though the person in the Elevator off course was not Richard Dawkins)

  • Kimski

    Well, at least you didn’t see any of us shouting: “You Go, Man!” which would have been a 100% certain outcome of the example mentioned by Juan Sigma above. And that basically makes you and your ilk a bunch of hypocritical ideologues, Auntie. Feeling sorry for one man, while supporting the removal of free speech and basic human rights of all men, just doesn’t even the scales in any way.

  • JuanSigma

    Feminism has destroyed men. Destroyed them legally and financially. Made them criminals without committing a crime. Made them objects of fear and/or utility. Ignored their deaths as the lesser gender.

    As a woman, you have never experience what it is like to be a man. To be treated as a paedophile and/or rapist just for having the gall to be in the same place as women or children.

    You are part of the problem if you do not join us to be part of the solution.

  • JuanSigma

    Explain why a patriarchal society makes things harder for the patriarchs.

    Your logic is floppy.

    When you are older you will look back at yourself in this naive state and will wince. I hope this happens sooner rather than after a loved (male) one suffers as a result of the ‘patriarchal’ laws.

  • JuanSigma

    We need to oppose sexism. Feminism is sexism.

  • JuanSigma

    We don’t have a patriarchal society. This is a feminist myth.

  • JuanSigma

    I find it hard to believe that any men’s conferences (not orchestrated by feminists) would be considered acceptable.

    As a veteran, I take exception to being classified as someone who can be exploited. I am sure others would feel the same. I do wonder what mental image you have when you use the word ‘veteran’.

  • Susie Parker

    Please state what name was called here.

    An adult man “eeeuuuuuwwwwwww! creepy dude-ing” like a little school girl is an observation – not an assumption, not name calling.

    It’s not a “juvenile insult” to observe that this adult person is himself, behaving like a juvenile. Eighth grade girls in of themselves are not “insulting” – it’s an adult behaving like a silly school girl that’s pathetic.

    Now he has YOU white knighting for him and supporting his exaggerated claims of being molested while somehow blaming ALL men for it.

    THAT, my friend, is the enabling shit women “put up with”, and fully expect from all men, every day.

  • JuanSigma

    but you think there is a ‘rape culture’.

  • Susie Parker

    I support equal rights for men.

    You know – equality?

    I have no “compassion” for women who make hyperbolic claims of being molested when they weren’t, why would I support a man making a false claim of molestation?

    I have compassion for people who have actually experienced being molested, and complete and utter contempt for those who would make that claim when they weren’t.

    That includes YOU, Anti.

  • JuanSigma

    Why do you need actors for a protest? An actor is someone who takes on the role of someone they are not. Considering the political aspect of feminism, and the context, this would seem to be a role that would paint a conference like this is a bad light. Or why bother?

    That seems a reasonable assumption I think.

  • JuanSigma

    Would you like to tell us when AVfM has used ‘plants’?

  • Janet Wilkinson

    Unfortunately you are a moron for thinking they hate women, hence why they have so many women writing articles for them and supporting them. However as you side with an ideology which hates men and constantly attacks them and tries to attack and tear down the family unit you again come off sounding like the biggest hypocrite. But then again you are a feminist so you would do wouldn’t you.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    Hence why you need to shut up.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    MRAs are not fighting against feminism directly they are fighting for equal rights. With the constant lies and fake stats that are produced by women’s organisation there has to be someone to stand up and point out these inaccuracies. Feminists are only part of the problem, thankfully the majority of people are aware of how unhinged they are and how detached from reality they have become to generally ignore them. We don’t need to stop them from having talks by trying to disrupt them (like feminists try to do to men), because everyone knows feminists are full of shit and are suffering from mental illnesses in a lot of cases and therefore won’t be taken seriously. MRAs use logic and intelligence, rather than “feelz” to make a point and therefore appeal to those who are logical and intelligent. Where as feminism appeals to those who are emotionally insecure and have at one time or another have felt weak and wounded and wanted to blame someone else other than themselves for everything that has gone wrong in their lives.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    Considering the hotel reported death threats, the police are involved, and an active investigation is ongoing. Sorry was there any other purpose to your post other than to just lie ?

  • Janet Wilkinson

    Your post doesn’t actually make any sense. Have you heard of grammar ? Try again.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    And maybe you should grow up and stop supporting sexist and offensive hashtags… It just goes to show feminists are so full of hate that they now have to start attacking things like Father’s Day and claiming it’s sexist. Shows just how delusional you lot really are doesn’t it. Strangely MRAs didn’t have a hashtag to attack Mother’s Day did they….. Oh that’s right because they aren’t bat shit crazy like feminists clearly are.

  • sarahgray

    I’m not sure I understand what you mean by ” I take exception to being classified as someone who can be exploited.”

    They are exploiting a nonprofit that helps veterans. Having served in the military does not prevent someone from using your experiences for their own benefit.

  • sarahgray

    When I’m older? Ha.

    The point of patriarchy is not to help all men, but to keep certain men in power.

  • sarahgray

    There weren’t that many people. I saw the feed. Most of the journalists who attended said there were between 100 and 200 people (borne out by the numbers Atilla called out for the raffle).

  • sarahgray

    All men are potential rapists. SO are women.

    Yes, potential rapists need to be reminded not to rape.

  • sarahgray

    Feminism has done no such things.

    Men are not treated like pedophiles or rapists for being in the same vicinity as women and children. Men are treated like pedophiles and rapists when they act in a manner which suggests those are activities they enjoy.

    I have not had the experience of being a man, this is true.
    But I can see that the real issues men face are not being addressed in any constructive way by the MRM.

  • sarahgray

    There were not 300+ people, according to journalists who were there and pictures and video from the event.

  • Kimski

    Don’t include me in that ideological unsubstantiated bogus-gendertheory of yours. The mere thought of having sex with someone crying and against their will is an utterly despicable thought to me. It might apply to you, but you can just leave me out of it, right now!

  • sarahgray

    we did have hundreds of people, with the pictures to prove it.

  • sarahgray

    the language of VAWA is actually gender-neutral.

  • sarahgray

    That’s what many rapists say, too.

    Someone can be a victim of rape even if they aren’t crying.
    Like if they are unable to give consent, for instance.

  • Geary

    Except they can’t, because a lot of ‘well-known’ MRAs like Warren Farrel and Vox Day say that women can’t be raped by their husbands, which makes them rape advocates. Additionally, the MRM’s nature is entirely to perpetuate the societal values that cause men to not have emotional support structures or safe outlets, and they sure as hell aren’t founding any men’s shelters themselves, so, if anything, that judge would be less-than-sympathetic with your ’cause’.

  • DEDC

    I do not much care for Molyneux’s YT channel or political views, but he really took down the house, didn’t he?

  • Geary

    lol you think MRAs are large enough in number to kill a newspaper with lack of views. That’s adorable, especially after all your embarrassments on television.

  • Auntie Alias

    I can point to all the hate directed at women on AVFM. “Feminism” doesn’t congregate on a website that does the same to men. There are no stock photos of angry, vicious men wielding weapons, no declarations that men are stupid, incompetent, devoid of any sense of responsibility, childish, liars, depraved gold-diggers, and no doxxing and harassment campaigns. Those are a constant on AVFM.

    Get the difference?

  • Auntie Alias

    Either he was asked to leave for only bothering DeVito or he was asked to leave for bothering a number of people who you are dismissing as unreliable and bigoted.

    Why are you being defensive about this? What difference does it make??

  • Auntie Alias

    You support male supremacists.

  • DEDC

    It is part of their retarded hive mentality and collective projection of that hive mentality on MR groups.

  • Geary

    Grasping for straws really hard, there. Chiquitobot probably just has diaper rash.

  • DEDC

    Feminists about the Men’s Rights Conference: “What about teh Wymyns!”

    “We never get heard!”

  • Auntie Alias

    Like I said, I have no idea what actors were for or whether they even followed through with it.

    LIsten, the incident really doesn’t paint the conference in a bad light. Do you see anyone anywhere saying, “Aha! Look at the type of people who are drawn to the MRM.” I’ve seen no one on WHTM or AMR saying that. Conversation about it is limited to how it was handled and about those who immediately went into false accusation mode. Seriously, you guys are being defensive for no good reason.

  • TefEx

    Yes yes of course. All AFL CIO dependency addicted socialists are feminists. No run off and prove something to somebody who actually cares.

  • Susie Parker

    Actually, I support my son. I support my brother. I support my nephews. I support my son in law.

    ALL men who have had their rights trampled in family court, all men who have had their precious children used as leverage against them.

    ALL men who have signed up for Selective Service, and all who have taken that oath to defend the Constitution(as have I, btw).

    These are ALL men who have NO “choice” in paternity rights, NO hope of getting a deserved scholarship for college, NO hope of getting custody of their children or even seeing their children except for fleeting moments.

    These are ALL men who face injustice in the legal system, the family court system, the medical system and the educational system.

    These men have NO rights I don’t have – but I have MANY rights and MANY privileges THEY don’t.

    I don’t support female supremacists.

    I’ve enlisted and served with men. I know it’s men who protect me, feed me, keep the lights on at night, the heat on in the winter.

    It’s not YOU doing those things for me, Auntie Does Nuthin’ For Nobody. It’s men willing to share their strength, their smarts and their lives even for unappreciative female supremacists like…you.

    I know what men do in this world. What have YOU done for me lately? What have YOU done for ANYBODY?

  • TefEx

    Waaah waaaah, My box is out of sand! waaah! My numbers are better than your numbers, waaaahhh!! Oh the American people are going to

    Eat. This. Up.

  • Terrence S M Popp

    the dude was jusy gay, i told him politely I am not on the menu and moved on

  • Auntie Alias

    If I told you, you wouldn’t believe me.

  • earth one

    “due to concerns for physical safety we have decided the best way to oppose the conference that is now going on in St. Clair Shores is to keep our distance.”

    Say the whining, victim-playing hypocrite feminists…

  • GP

    The hotel did not report death threats, and that is according to the hotel. The police were hired to be there.

    My point was to shame you for being total liars. But I guess I should just pity you being so brainwashed that your you’ll believe Elam over the members of the press who spoke to the hotel, the police and the FBI. I wish there was a “Sorry About Your Shitty Cult Leader; please don’t drink the cool-aid” card I could send you…

  • GP

    It does! Try reading comprehension again. Hey, are you the same Janet who has been flipping out on the MRA conference twitter all weekend?

  • Susie Parker

    Whatever you got to claim doesn’t matter, Auntie. Next time my car gets a flat tire in sub zero weather, I KNOW that YOU won’t be the person to stop and help me.

    YOU won’t be the person who rushes into a burning building to carry my body out.

    YOU won’t be the person who saves millions of lives by sacrificing your own as ONLY MEN did in the Fukishima melt down.

    You won’t be the one to throw yourself in front of a bullet or dive on a grenade.

    You know it and I know it.

    No man has any rights in this world that YOU don’t. You have many rights no man has.

    That isn’t “equality” and that sure as hell isn’t “supremacy”. Not one woman’s name is on any memorial anywhere because she was FORCED against her will to die for her country.

    Hundreds of thousands of men can’t say the same.

    No woman in this country is paying child support for a child that isn’t even hers against her will.

    Countless men are.

    No woman is forced to sign up for the draft, or has ever lost her job, professional or driver’s license because she refused.

    It only happens to men.

    No woman is forced into parenthood unless she CHOOSES to go through with a pregnancy.

    NO man has any choice at anytime except to do as he’s told or go to prison.

    What does it feel like to be so fully entitled you don’t even have to say “Thank You”?

  • Apollyon

    Now now Susie. You’re using facts to prove a point. Auntie and I will not stand for hate-facts!

  • Doug Hart

    The civilian casualty ratio means little to the guy who just took a direct hit in combat.

  • Auntie Alias

    “You know it and I know it.”

    You know nothing and you’re too entrenched in your rage to care.

  • Auntie Alias

    “Don’t be that guy” isn’t “You are that guy.”

    When you hear “Don’t drink and drive,” do you get angry at being called a drunk driver?

  • Kimski

    You’re a sick fuckhead, sarahgray.
    I’m done with you.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    She didn’t call any names she simply stated facts. Perhaps if you stopped interpreting what people say and instead read what they are saying you won’t make this mistake again.

  • Kimski

    I don’t believe I’ve ever been on US TV. Over here? Plenty of times back in the 80′es, but never on US TV, and especially not these days.

  • daboys1215 .

    Molested? LOL Yeah and I’m president Obama.
    As per the picture at the end, you are referring to the press conference before the actual conference. Nice try.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    No it isn’t, you clearly haven’t read it.

  • GP

    It’s funny cause one second you’re whining about the Evil Empire that is feminism and the next thing you’re bragging and trying to inflate your conference numbers?

  • Janet Wilkinson

    No, you are not even sane…

  • Janet Wilkinson

    Well that’s better than preaching the word of retarded special needs mentally I’ll hate filled feminist.

  • TefEx

    No point in inflating anything. Nobody except feminists care about numbers of attendees. Let them keep on with it as it demonstrates how desperate feminism has become.

  • Kimski

    He was asked to leave because someone recognized this article was doing damage to the bigger picture, even though there were obviously more than capable people there, ready to reach out and help him. The author of this article actually succeeded in pulling off another well known feminist strategy: Proxy-actions on his behalf.

  • Auntie Alias

    So now you’re saying they gave him the bum’s rush to do damage control? Elam said they weren’t equipped to help him and you’re saying they were. Which is it?

  • Auntie Alias

    Have a nice life, Janet!

  • Ohone

    Well of course its feminists making false accusations.

    Like the feminists that sent themselves death and rape threats and then reported them and were caught, the feminist went there, and found a story that could be spun into a “molestation” story.

    Lying about sex criminality and using accusations relating to sex criminality as a bludgeon is second nature to feminists.

  • Auntie Alias

    Is this like Pavlov’s dog? The moment the bell rings (criticism of the MRM), the dog begins to salivate (attacks feminists)?

    How about sticking to the topic of the dishonesty of your victim-blaming buddies for a change instead of your automatic deflections.

  • Geary

    ‘Your’ refers to ‘The MRM’s’ in that context. lrn2grammar

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    Ha hahaaaaa I love this. Well said and excellently written.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    Did the failure of the event give you a sadz? You sound bitter, Betty.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    “Won’t allow” and female rape?

    MRAs are just permanent victims who think they should somehow be catered to as white middle-class males. Sorry, real life doesn’t work that way, for anyone. Welcome to the club.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    I can’t stop laughing…. thank you for this.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    I care about laughs and you guys are supplying them in record numbers. Thank you!

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    “the feminists” are coming to get you! Be very afraid. We are going to coax your sperm out of you then leave you spent on the curb somewhere. AGAINST YOUR WILL.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    LOL keep the yuks coming.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    Would you like some cheese with your whiiiiiiiiiiiiiine? It’s never any of your faults, is it? Crying is not gonna make women weaker, pookie.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    You support male superiority and supremacy, she’s right.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    That’s a lot of word salad to not convince anyone of anything except you support male supremacy.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    She can’t make up her own facts. Reality doesn’t work that way.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    You’re a dude, aren’t you? Otherwise perhaps a stepford wife.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    Yes I see that 100 whiny guys have ended the entire feminist movement.

    *snicker*

  • TefEx

    What is male supremacy?

  • http://www.mancheeze.wordpress.com Joy

    No, I’m referring to the woman who came out on XO Jane. She was assaulted and the MRA attempted to rape her. He told her he was an MRA or ‘red piller’ as you say you dudes all swallow.

  • http://www.mancheeze.wordpress.com Joy

    Well isn’t that special. I’m disabled too and I don’t go up to strangers and start inappropriately touching them. Now I know some folks are touchy and maybe they do have a disability but it doesn’t make it right to touch people like that. Your friend up there Popp said the guy was gay and just hitting on some of the men. Either way, it’s not some hatred of disabled people that went on. It was a BEHAVIOUR that was unacceptable.

    Elam took advantage of that guy with his bitter little remarks at the con about it. ‘I wish we could get him help,’ moans Paul Elam, who just scored over $30K and is asking for another 20 grand. You see, the con wasn’t set up to HELP men and boys. Were there any mental health information services there? Nope. The entire con was ‘blame women and feminism.’ Maybe Paul should invest those hundreds of thousands he makes per year and actually HELP men instead of pocketing the money for himself.

  • TefEx

    You’re vying for a career as a conference critic. Not a bad gig and you’re doing a mighty fine job.

  • Greg

    So it’s stilling a mystery, the random mysterious man who subjected her to abuse by offer her coffee.
    I won’t be offering my seat on a bus to women then, she’ll accuse me of trying to force fellatio on her lol

  • Jon

    I’m assuming you’re talking about Warren Farrell.
    I’ve read Farrell’s work, heard him speak and never seen/heard him
    claim that husbands cannot rape their wives. Please provide a direct
    quote from Farrell with citation to support your claim.

    Erin Pizzey, who did set up men’s shelters in the U.K., was actually at the conference. Ever heard of Earl Silverman? Sage Gerard who is trying to set up men’s groups on college campuses? What about C.A.F.E. (Canadian Association for Equality)? I suggest you actually learn about the MRM/MHRM before you start criticizing it. Otherwise you are just spreading misinformation – which I suppose may actually be your intention.

  • Susie Parker

    You support female superiority and supremacy – THAT’S pathetic.

  • Susie Parker

    Speaking for yourself, of course.

    Male superiority…hmmm. YOU signed up for Selective Service, Helen Wheels?

    You doing anything to make that requirement “equal”, or is THAT superiority OK?

  • Susie Parker

    Nope.

    Mother of two sons I don’t want screwed over by beasts like you.

  • EndlessWinter

    You made a joke about being hurt in the butt. The origin of those jokes is the implication of “having taken it up the ass” aka forcible anal sex, aka rape.

    Since telling rape jokes is “rape apology” and “encourages rape culture” in any other case, why would this be any different?

  • Auntie Alias

    You’ve never heard the term butthurt before?

  • Ohone

    Don’t project.

    The only reason the men’s liberation movement split from feminism was the feminists wouldn’t allow them to speak about their issues.

  • Philip Schuster

    Ha! I knew that somebody was going to try and capitalize on that assault incident, as if it has anything to do with the conference itself. I must be psychic. My prediction came true.

  • Matheus Souza

    You just pulled that out of thin air. She never said anything that even implied that.

  • Auntie Alias

    She defends AVFM which caters to male supremacists. They talk about men’s accomplishments and belittle women’s. They paint us as less intelligent, morally bankrupt, irresponsible, lying gold-diggers. In other words, they view women as inferior to men.

  • TefEx

    Then they are offended. That was known all along. They are offended, hurt and upset. Thus they lash out. Move on. Nothing more to see here…

  • JuanSigma

    How many unsolved child-crimes are this way because the assumption was that they were looking for a man?

  • JuanSigma

    You are a rape apologist? I do not think that a man could get away with comments about rape against women equivalent to yours against men.

    You demonstrate why people should think feminists are out of control.

  • TefEx

    Not psychic. Just thinking like a desperate sniveling fuming scorned feminist.

  • JuanSigma

    Word salad? This lady tells you that you have privileges men do not. You do not seem to want equality with them.

    How did you serve your country?

  • JuanSigma

    Which of her facts was not factual?

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    MRM is just whining males who are throwing a tantrum because they suddenly realized that they are not entitled to having a woman slave who they can force to have sex with them and bear their kids.

    Grow up.

  • JuanSigma

    This conference was a line in the sand. People all over the world are waking up to what feminism has done to disadvantage men and boys.

    We want equality. We want women and men to be treated equitably. That means that women and men will have to give up privileges that they have traditionally held.

    Men have done this or have been forced to do this. Women have given up little. This has to change.

  • JuanSigma

    Read the article again.

  • JuanSigma

    Radfem hub? Did you not see what they had to say about men behind closed websites? It took a mole to show what they really thought.

  • JuanSigma

    When were you taught not to rape or sexually abuse? ‘Don’t be that guy’ is gender specific…

    Who taught the women who abused me not to abuse? No-one. They were women and it is accepted as ‘empowerment’.

    I really think you are naive. I bet you do not think you are a rapist but will happily claim that other people are and they need to be told not to rape. This is the feminist idiocy that logical people can see.

  • JuanSigma

    So why is there no ‘Don’t be that girl’ campaign against child murder?

    Not important enough for feminists?

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    LMFAO, you people really want to be taken seriously? How about get some factual information and replace the hyperbolic nonsense with that.

  • http://www.thegopwaronwomen.com Helen Wheels

    Why are you disguising yourself as a girl?

  • JuanSigma

    You are ignoring child murder as a gender crime? Women kill more kids than men. Feminists only talk about male crimes. Also, they pretend female criminals do not exist. Indeed, data is collected by biased surveys to hide female crime and cast men as perpetual aggressors.

    Feminism does not stand up for men’s rights. We see this every day. Indeed, feminism suggests that men are subhuman.

    Men, and women who demand real equality, are the only ones that are addressing men’s issues.

    You are part of the problem. You resist equality. If not, if I am wrong, then you can show your solidarity with men by joining the forces and defending your country or work on an oil rig or clean the sewers. Instead of doing a cozy job in a nice office or warm shop. Take some of the risk for a change.

  • JuanSigma

    I am afraid you come across as young and naive.

    If the system is rigged it is rigged to keep people in power. Men and women. The latter seem to be quite happy with the situation.

    Why do men seek wealth and power? Be honest now.

  • JuanSigma

    You are not a veteran so why do you presume to speak for us?

    I take exception to being classified as someone who can be exploited. Do you really think that veterans are, collectively, weak-minded and feeble? We have skills and abilities that many could never match. Do you really think a men’s conference will exploit us? Really?

    Service personnel know what they give up for civilians. The ones that are still alive, in any case. I am sure we can do without being lectured by a snowflake.

  • JuanSigma

    Are you ‘radical’ enough to take on one of the difficult and dangerous jobs that men have traditionally done? Show us how to do them? Or is that a bit too far? A bit too dirty for a clean radical?

  • voice of reason

    Feminists called men “male chauvinist pigs” since the 1970′s, comparing a man to a lower creature. Wow. You sure do care about men!

  • voice of reason

    “Mangina” is a term used by anti-feminists to describe a man who had indoctrinated himself to believe that there is something inherently wrong, oppressive, and evil in masculinity and see it as “toxic.” He holds women way too high on a pedestal, and the name best describe how this man had nearly stripped all of his male (and even human) identity away to become merely an extension of a woman’s vagina. Get your damn facts straight before you flap the trap.

  • voice of reason

    You do realize that anyone can write anything, I mean ANYTHING, for a definition on any word, with very little moderation, don’t you?

  • voice of reason

    It means he derailed the entire point of the conference in order to focus on a non-related incident, because he is more of an activist than a journalist.

  • Scott Gallant

    I am a recent graduate of UMass Amherst with a bachelor’s in Journalism, and I must say that this is the style of writing one would expect from a freshman as his very first assignment, and having his paper returned with so much red ink, that you’d think it was a murder victim.

    You made no previous research on the speakers, you clearly didn’t even read AVFM’s press release, you went completely off-topic to incorporate some “deeper hidden meaning” non sequitur like some gonzo journalist copycat without even a hint of the humor, poetic horror, irony, and unpredictability that Hunter S. Thompson possessed. And most importantly, you barely paid any attention to what your speakers were saying and left before the press conference was even half-way finished.

    I am absolutely embarrassed at how little skill, discipline, and journalistic integrity is found in so many published pieces. Either be an activist or a journalist, for you obviously can’t handle both simultaneously.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    You are full of shit, it was well documented and I even saw the police reports and the statements from the hotel. Try again fuckwit.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    It really doesn’t. I don’t use twitter, try and stop your over active imagination and paranoia from interfering with your responses…

  • Voice of Reason

    The words… Fine stuff, sir.

  • voice of reason

    “Can you point to a feminist conference where a disturbed radical feminist was asked to leave?”

    Wasn’t she the one holding the microphone?

  • Janet Wilkinson

    As your post is awaiting moderation GP I will put my reply here.

    Considering 1. The feminists who were commenting were not having a laugh and all of them that I spoke to thought it was real, again shows you are full of shit. 2. Everyone that I spoke to about it who isn’t a feminist thought it was real again showing that your hate filled ideology bore the brunt of the hate directed back at the hashtag. 3. You try and respond to my by quoting the most hate filled feminist site I have run into lately again demonstrating how delusional you are and how bias your ridiculous views are.

  • Voice of Reason

    …are they “silenced” now in the Modern West? … and please, don’t mention misogynistic trolls on the internet, for I want to keep my microwavable burrito in my stomach.

  • Janet Wilkinson

    She didn’t make them up as I said she stated them.

  • Scott Gallant

    “Are you honestly saying that just because someone treated women bad in the past, that makes it OK to treat men bad now?”

    Isn’t that the same logic as when Christians persecuted Jews in the Middle Ages for being responsible for killing Christ? Wouldn’t the Progressives protest that kind of “guilt by ancestral association” injustice?

  • Janet Wilkinson

    Oh you haven’t seen the last of me Auntie. But you too, don’t get hit by a bus, that would be tragic loss to the feminist troll community.

  • voice of reason

    Could feminists hold off on the death threats long enough so that the MRA’s can hold their conference and come up with solutions?

    No? Didn’t think so…

  • Scott Gallant

    Hey, didn’t the entire feminist movement start out as a simple, small convention at Seneca Falls? Do you understand how activism BEGINS?

  • voice of reason

    Or maybe you could watch the video being posted up on the conference on the AVFM website, or would that be expecting too much agency from you? you know, that same agency that the Feminists keep convincing impressionable girls that they don’t have?

  • Scott Gallant

    “Hahahahahah! Niggers galore at the NAACP convention. Another nigger attempted rape and assaulted a white woman the other day. At least there’s only a minority of nigger-lovers.”

    …said a white gentleman some 75 years ago.

  • voice of reason

    You mean, the girl that claimed to be assaulted by an MRA member, then several MRA groups put up several thousand dollars of their own money as a reward for information leading to the arrest of the perpetrator, then the “victim” and her feminist allies went curiously silent about it afterwards? That one?

  • Scott Gallant

    Could you point out anywhere during the AVFM conference, which has been uploaded on YouTube and embedded on the AVFM website, where misogyny and entitlement was preached? A quote would be nice.

  • voice of reason

    Easily-debunked talking points? Well, debunk away!!! You now have my undivided attention!! Or are you too chicken-shit?

    Entitlement to harass, beat and rape women? You know, when I watched the conference, I DO distinctly remember Paul Elam charging up to the microphone, and yelling, “I fucking hate all of these cunt-uppity wimminz!! They just won’t fuck me and make me sammiches!! It’s time when all get on board the rape train!! Choo choo!!” Then Karen Straughan stood up and bleated “I’ll hold the bitch down for you, Paul!! Yee Ha!!”

    On second thought, I was wrong. I was just dreaming about Big Red telling my to shut the fuck up as she read some padded list about how Patriarchy is to blame for everything from that no-so-fresh feeling to why a kitten dies every time you masturbate… without supportive evidence of course….

    Of course.

  • voice of reason

    They only vilified several specific women proven by the police, through admission of the accuser, that the rape accusation was made up either out of revenge as a jilted lover or in an attempt to protect her reputation when daddy found out about her hook-up. Try again at that whole “listening carefully and using sound logic” thing. Difficult, isn’t it?

  • voice of reason

    “Feminist” is legitimate enough as a claim.

    “lying, chickenshit coward.” works just as well, but redundant.

  • JuanSigma

    Are you saying that women cannot be those things? It seems that you are happy to toe the ‘party’ line about the deficiencies in males in an equivalent fashion.

  • JuanSigma

    You think that list is not factual? Don’t you get out much?

    Have you signed up for the draft/selective service?

  • Kimski

    I’ve been one of the moderators on AVfM for the past 3 years. Before that, I was on a men’s rights site in my native country. I was there with my donation five years ago when AVfM started up, and I’ve been there with my donation every 3 months ever since. I’ve been involved in this for the past decade, and have written thousands of comments like the ones on this thread, on every conceivable related site I have ever come across. A substantial amount of them in more than one language and in different countries. I’ve litterally done sticker campaigns in the entire northern part of the country I live in, raising awareness to the mainsite for hundreds, if not thousands of men. And, finally, I’ve been dealing with your kind for so long and for so many hours every day, that it’s pure coincidence that I’ve manage to get through it without serious mental damage or scars, from the sheer stupidity, hatred, and bigotry I’ve had to deal with over the years.

    Does that satisfy your inquisitive mind?

    Now, what have YOU done, while I was busy with that????

  • sarahgray

    I work, I’m not sure what your point is. Plenty of women do what was traditionally considered “men’s work”. 70%of mothers work outside the home.
    The dangerous occupations you refer to have always made a habit of keeping women out, but it’s not as if men are *forced* to do those jobs. I’m not sure what your solution is. Force a certain percentage of women to work certain jobs? Will we do the same for men and occupations traditionally dominated by women?

  • sarahgray

    Anyone can be exploited. I never said anything about anyone being weak-minded and feeble.

  • Auntie Alias

    All women are not those things yet all are depicted that way.

    “It seems that you are happy to toe the ‘party’ line about the deficiencies in males”

    Citation needed.

  • sarahgray

    why aren’t you complaining about men who work in offices instead of cleaning sewers?
    Not sure why I’m supposed to quit my job for an oil rig job that doesn’t exist where I live or a sewer cleaning job that as far as I know, I’m not qualified for and haven’t seen any job openings for. I have a family to feed, after all.

    While abhorrent, it’s understandable that the class of people left to do the vast majority of childcare would represent a larger percentage of those who abuse and murder children.
    It’s a demonstration of how much less involved men are in their children’s lives, if anything.

    Feminism does not suggest men’s right’s are subhuman.

  • sarahgray

    Everyone needs to understand about consent. I’ve certainly discussed this with my daughter.

    Everyone needs to avoid being a rapist and an abuser, yes.

  • Auntie Alias

    Cool story, bro.

  • Auntie Alias

    Radfem hub is defunct and it was private. Not the same thing at all.

  • Auntie Alias

    The writer didn’t disparage all of AVFM or imply they were like this individual. If AVFM’s opponents aren’t tarring AVFM with the same brush, why would those unfamiliar with it do that?

  • Ohone

    The old false rape / enslave women accusation in lieu of a rational argument.

    False accusations are second nature for so many of you.

  • Ohone

    There is no criticism of the mrm, you just strawman, apply double standards and make false accusations.

    Thats why you have nothing to contribute but snark and regurgitating David “whoozle” Futrelles distortions.

  • Susie Parker

    I’m a Grandmother, Helen. I haven’t been “disguised as a girl” in decades.

    I haven’t seen my Grandson in over 5 years, Helen.

    I did nothing wrong other than I’m “his” mother instead of “her” mother.

    Being “his” mother means I have no more rights to see my Grandson than HE has to see his own son – which means he has no rights.

    After a few years “A one night stand from my cocktail waitress days” isn’t the story you want circulating.

    On Facebook once in awhile, between duck face selfies of her new tattoos, tonguing her drunken girlfriends and latest piercings, his mother will post a photo of my Grandson.

    He has his Daddy’s blue eyes.

  • Henrique

    Unfortunately we’re living in a world were the first one to throw a punch is the one to blame by everything, by having a penis, by having hairy forearms or by the poverty in Africa.

    If he punched the creepy guy in the face people would rage against him “HOMOPHOBIC!! MACHIST PIG!!”. True story, happened something similar to me when i was in college, i almost got lynched by a mob.

  • Erik Wedin

    lol MRA doesnt need to do a thing. Newspapers are already dying. Less people are reading newspapers and less people TRUST reporters. Thats already happening. However it sure as heck will go faster media losing readers when peole can see live videos with their own eyes and compare to this biased crap.

    As Professor Jeff Jarvis (What would google do?) would say:. The old media business model is dying
    As Bernard Goldberg (Bias & Arrrogance) would say:: Fewer and fewer people trust the media.

    And its not just MRA:s. Its equally true for most guys in hardcore gaming who after seeing journalists worshipping of Anita Sarkeesian (why not lick her shoes while you people are at it?) know better than to trust them. Instead several gamers themselves made 100s of own youtubevids showing the truth about Sarkeesian.

    They made their own media. Thats what it means!

  • Erik Wedin

    “Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Armin, were all very much gender neutral tyrants.”

    Regarding the case of Hitler this is not true. Even in Nazi-Germany it was easier to protest the goverment without getting shot if you were a woman. A perfect example of this was the famous “Women at Rossenstrasse protest”. March 1943

  • AMRA

    Oh my god, has your arm recovered yet, did you get a pregnancy test, an STD test, did he at least use lube when he molested your arm, you poor baby. I think everyone should focus on your arm which must be feeling really fragile right now, not fathers rights, domestic violence by women, unequal health and education spending, because, yknow, arm rape is serious.

    This post has been brought to you by doctor sarcasm, PHD. ;)

  • Erik Wedin

    In simple words NO! its not advocating anything! Because the absense of a negative is not the same thing as a positive and its a joke you even believe it can be interpreted in that way.

    EXAMPLE of your logic:

    Geary: People should be executed for using narcotics
    Me: I dont think thats a good idea.
    Geary: What!???? You are advocating people overdose. DRUGAPOLOGIZER!
    Me: Are you high or something?

  • Susie Parker

    And an extremely intelligent, beautiful one at that.

    I wouldn’t disguise myself as a fat, ugly man hating feminist/cow, now would I?

  • GP

    Gosh, well you can end all this mocking by just posting them!
    And anyone can file a police report, Simple Samantha. Try it sometime. Next time a feminist makes fun of you, file a police report so the cops can have a good laugh too.

  • GP

    Geesh, so sensitive! Is it my fault that I think there is little chance of two assholes named Janet in the Manosphere?

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    You sound butt-hurt.

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    Isn’t that sexist?

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    So women can have feminism but get…nothing. Got it.

  • http://www.mancheeze.wordpress.com Joy

    Nope. Keep listing the women AVFM has harassed and/or doxxed and you might get there.

  • Greg

    I stand corrected

  • GP

    You didn’t split from feminism. You just co-opted social justice language to give yourselves legitimacy.

  • GP

    Ever watched any Stefen Molyneux videos? He basically said that women fuck assholes because they’re dominant (which makes us shallow, you beta and all of us losers.)

    THAT’S sexist. She’s just repeating the nonsense that filters out of the manosphere.

  • GP

    Naw, she means we’ll KEEP the sperm without your permission. You know, cause we’re always burglin’ sperm?

  • GP

    (I don’t know what those things are…Please to explain?)

  • GP

    This article is shit. If he felt seriously threatened or uncomfortable should have reported it as such.

    On the other hand, other people in the threads have stated that this man hit on them and propositioned them for sex, so this is not necessarily about disability. It’s a little surprising to think that someone who works with the disabled would fail to make them accountable in situations like this?

  • GP

    Nev-r happened. Keep telling that story, though! It’s fun to have fun, and your nonsense is the funnest.

  • GP

    Why, you wanna send me death and rape threats? Dox me and threaten my family as well?

    Sorry that lady yelled at you that one time. It really hurt and it was truly a heinous example of oppression.

  • GP

    How many of these “feminists” have been tagged in #yourslipisshowint? Just for funzies, go check that out.

    Most feminist hate-filled site…You mean We Hunted The Mammoth? I forget what I posted but it’s safe to say that any and every site that openly shits on your cult is both feminist and evil in your eyes.

  • Ohone

    That’s not what mangina means.

    A mangina is the sort of guy who will attack and mock men that that are talking about their problems for female or feminist approval.

  • Ohone

    A significant % of women are committing reproductive abuse.

    How else can there be so many children born with no consensual, willing or fixed father in place.

  • driversuz

    “So why can’t they get along?”
    Because feminists are fighting for female supremacy, not equality.
    Duh.

  • RevSpinnaker

    Yeah, especially when she started singing “Cry Me a River” when questioned about the high suicide rate of men. Feminists like her would rather men kill themselves than open up about and heal from an abusive childhood. That’s why they are against the same kinds of social services for men that they have access to.
    They like their white males dead.

  • Ohone

    I don’t find bourgeois SJWs that have little experience outside gated communities and ivy league campuses that pretend they are oppressed particularly credible.

    We did splt from feminism. Here is some back ground.

    A Karen DeCrow Appreciation

    June 14, 2014 By Warren Farrell 91 Comments

    Karen DeCrow and I were friends for more than 40 years. In the early 70’s, when she was President of NOW (the National Organization for Women) and I was on the Board of NOW’s NYC chapter, she asked me to run NOW’s Task Force on the Masculine Mystique. When others protested my incorporating expanding liberation toward men, Karen supported me.

    Karen and I worked together on my organizing the men’s section of the Women’s Strike for Equality in D.C.. She valued men as an auxiliary, but also sensed we had our own work to do—not as apologizing oppressors, but as fellow humans in a parallel straight jacket.

    In the early 70s, Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, Karen and I would often say, “what the world needs is more women at work, and more dads at home.” This was N.O.W.s position until about 1973. However, as divorces increased, NOW started hearing from moms who were dropping their memberships because, as the complaint usually ran, “I know my child best; I know what she or he needs. If I don’t want the dad involved, it’s for a reason—he’s either a bad dad or we’ve had a bad experience and I just need to take my children away and start a new life.”

    N.O.W. was caught between supporting equality versus jeopardizing its base. It chose to not jeopardize its base. Gloria and Betty, while not changing their position rhetorically, looked the other way as NOW intensified its efforts to portray men either as deadbeats or self-interested (“they just want the money”) or prone to domestic violence. Karen was the only other leading feminist who not only spoke differently, but agreed to speak at fathers’ conferences. Karen’s courage marginalized her from the feminist leadership and the millions of dollars of speaking fees she could otherwise have obtained.

    I knew what Karen was enduring, because I took the same road she took. While my break was cleaner, Karen tried to walk the tightrope of the balance between integrity and retaining feminist colleagues and friends.

    When she agreed in 2005 to write the foreword to my Why Men Earn More: the Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap–and What Women Can Do About It, she shared with me some of her lifetime of worries about losing feminist support. It wasn’t just the lost speaking fees. It was the isolation. It was desiring to lead, but being kept at arm’s length by feminist leadership.”

    (google a paragraph and you will find the original article.

  • daboys1215 .

    Failure? Bitter? I guess that is what you are used to, being a feminist and all.

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    What you say is true, but I disagree with what I presume is your remedy: to ignore the mrm. There is blatant discrimination against men, covert misandry and overt hostility. Telling men that only they must register for selective service is just as sexist as telling women they must register to have babies in case we face a demographic crisis.

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    And black males, too.

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    You were raped, and you should be seeking therapy for it.

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    We’re winning and you’re losing.

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    Earl Silverman.

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    It means if someone is bothering you, you tell them to fuck off. It really works. It means you don’t run to the police and tell them someone molested……your fucking arm.

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    Dudebro is a misandrist term…bitch.

  • Geary

    Haha wow you went really far out of your way to whine about Sarkeesian. That’s sad.

  • Geary

    Exactly what have MRAs accomplished other than lining their own pockets at the expense of their cult following?

  • Geary

    I was incorrectly referring to Farrell, yes, but that’s due to it coming from another ‘contributor’ who wrote an article at AVFM saying pretty much the same thing. Which means that Farrell saw an article that said that women in marriage can’t be raped and thought it belonged on his webshite.

    Erin Pizzey, the woman who claimed that it’s only domestic violence if the woman fears for her life?

    No, I haven’t heard of Earl Silverman and Sage Gerard. Which probably says a lot about their success.

    CAFE, the organization that tried to organize a concert and the lost the support of LITERALLY EVERY OTHER ORGANIZATION INVOLVED once they found out their views, and falsified documents to get tax-exempt status? You want them representing you dudes?

  • Geary

    Nice strawman.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com TheBibo Sez

    Welcome to Earth, stranger. By the way, as a newcomer to reality, please try to keep an open mind, because so far, it is clear you have much to learn.

  • JuanSigma

    This thread.

    Let’s see: Are men slaves to their sexuality and objectify women because they are latent rapists?

  • JuanSigma

    So misandry is OK as long as people pretend they are not misandrous.

    These were self identifying feminists who said disgusting things. Do you think the website would have kept going if it had not been outed by a mole? I understand that some in this group were opinion formers and in the caring/teaching professions. Do we really want those kinds of people in these positions?

    I can only assume you are a hate apologist if you do not condemn your fellow feminists for disgraceful behaviour.

  • JuanSigma

    And you are a rape apologist who condones the financial subjugation of victims if the woman decides to have the rape-child. Even if the male is under-age.

  • Auntie Alias

    There are individual misandrists in this world and they aren’t just feminists.

  • Auntie Alias

    Let’s recap, shall we? Susie Parker SHAMED the author by saying he was acting like “an eight grade school girl” for being creeped out by the unwelcome advances of a man at the conference. From that starting point, you’ve strayed to “deficiencies in males” which has absolutely nothing to do with what’s been said so far. I think you need a better hobby because this one is just making you an angry person.

  • earth one

    Excellent, and very funny!

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    Just like feminism, it’s a two hundred year struggle, and it just started. I’m in no rush, and I don’t expect satisfaction in my lifetime. Feminism began in the 19th century, and they have just now arrived, although women still do not dominate at the very top of society. Still, it looks as though average women have more social power than average men, and that’s not bad. For me, just having a conference on men’s issues is enough. Just the fact it existed. In approximately two hundred years people will begin to view men as equal in worth to women. That’s good enough for me.

  • JuanSigma

    So you admit that feminists are misandrist. The truth always comes out when tongues slip.

  • JuanSigma

    “…all men and women are potential rapists, however” No they are not.

    What you say says something about your perception of other people.

    Are you a rapist?

  • JuanSigma

    If you are a potential rapist Sarah, I think you should report yourself to the police before you do something horrid.

    Or is that ‘potential rapist’ thing only for other people?

  • JuanSigma

    You are being exploited by well-off feminists. Someone explained the concept of the ‘useful idiot’ to you the other day, I think.

  • JuanSigma

    So I was correct. You do a nice, safe, clean job. Never been in danger. Never been in a harsh environment.

    Plenty of women do the nice jobs that were traditionally considered ‘men’s work’. They have not been so keen to do the rest. You are a case in point it seems.

    Also, we force women into the top jobs so why not force then into the nasty ones? Or do you agree that ‘affirmative action’ and all-women shortlisting should end. You have, rather, scuppered the feminist argument for increasing the number of women in Board Rooms haven’t you…

  • JuanSigma

    …just another ‘radical feminist’ who’s radical until the going gets tough and then you want someone else, mostly men, to do your dirty work for you.

  • sarahgray

    Are you under the impression that half of CEOs are women?
    There are women in the fields you speak of.
    There are plenty of men who do not do those jobs, though.,. not really sure what the point you are trying to make is.

  • sarahgray

    Yes, everyone has the potential to be a rapist.

    I’ve never raped anyone, but the fact remains that many actual rapists don’t acknowledge that they are rapists.

  • Auntie Alias

    You’re ridiculous.

  • GP

    Do you remember Suffragettes? First Wave. You are specifically whining about Second Wave, and depending on who you talk to we’re in the Third Wave or Post Wave. At no point did any wave declare that men were downtrodden by feminists and women. You’re delusional and you’re scaring/scarring me.

  • GP

    Ya, who is telling men to register? Why isn’t this something you’re talking to other men about instead of railing against women and calling it misandry? You did catch that there are only a dozen countries where women had to fight to be allowed to join the combat. So your argument is akin women in the military blaming women for their inability to fully serve in the army.

    While we’re on the topic, which men are most like to register? Is it the rich, white men in charge of the world (aka a good chunk of what feminists describe collectively as the patriarchy) or maybe some men who could actually benefit from the assistance of a men’s rights group that opened shelters for the homeless (which in N.A. is largely composed of male veterans and mentally ill men)?

  • GP

    … you two seem to be having a conversation with yourselves, so I’ll leave you to it.

  • GP

    Uh…what? Could you fill me in on the part of the conversation that you’ve invented having with me?

  • GP

    Again, it really hurt when that red haired lady was mean to you that one time. I’m sorry you’ve never experienced violence at a protest?

  • MrSonicAdvance

    Did the author not ask the guy hitting on him to back off? Or is he so indoctrinated by feminist thinking that he instantly went into victim mode, was too terrified to say anything at the time and is now suffering PTSD?

    I just thank sweet zombie Jesus that it didn’t happen in an elevator and coffee was not implicated. Bless you brother, stay strong(!)

  • MrSonicAdvance

    But the patriarchy promised me a woman slave(!) Patriarchy still exists, right(?) It must do, because the feminists tell me it does(!) So where’s my sex slave(?)

  • http://batman-news.com MGTOW-man

    The poor guy hit on me verbally as well and tried to sit too close but I didn’t start whimpering about it. I know myself well enough to know clearly what I do not want to do with other men. So let him stare and make his advances…big deal…just someone else paying you a compliment does not mean you have to take him up on it. Just know and be sure of YOURSELF! Maybe that is the problem with other guys in general: perhaps they are not sure about themselves. If wrong, then let it go. LET IT GO!

    To be sure, touching another’s arm and making lewd verbal advances is not “molestation”. I believe a reality check is in order for the reporter-wanna-be. Like I said so many times, if they do not exaggerate, they will not have an audience.

    By the way, Lee Devito, most people will see through your shallow “journalism”. Thanks for the advertising. When they see for themselves what we are really about…not the “hate” the press tries to dictate…they will become our allies…that is, if they are not coming with their feelings worn on their sleeves and TRYING to have a problem because that is what makes them feel better.

  • Ohone

    Ah just move the goal posts eh?

    I give you proof we split from feminism because you said it didn’t happen and you move onto to a different argument. .

    And no we are whining about the 2nd wave. We are taking about the change of direction away from egalitarianism and including liberation for men feminism took and that its still moving in that same direction.

    Still blocking shared parenting legislation / reform and demonizing fathers and men, still pretending domestic violence is largely gendered, still acting like men are the enemy, still promoting Mary Dalys rape culture, hostile to due process for men, hostile to men’s liberation movements, teaching misandric political propaganda dressed up as academia, errasing female rapists, pedophiles and abusers to paint these human problems on to men etc.

  • Ohone

    Lee DeVito

    We know its all fashionable in the feminist community to attack and mock men that speak about their issues and so on, we know you will be approved of by feminists for your article here and its false accusation relating to sex criminality.

    What happens later on though?

    They approval is temporary, your yellow journalism and mockery of men talking about abuse is permanent and when the time comes that their mockery of men that speak about their abuse and issues is embarrassing and inconvenient for them, they will take no responsibility, turn on and shift the blame onto men like you, and David “Whoozle” Futrelle.

  • GP

    Oh, so you just don’t understand what you’re talking about. Thanks for clarifying!

  • Ohone

    Ah the old shit on the board and strut around triumphantly resort.

  • Ohone

    Nobody railed against women because of the draft in the first place you dishonest clown.

    The draft is an example of discrimination – men got suffrage in the basis of the draft, and feminism stopped short of pushing for equality in the draft.

  • Avatar

    That’s a lie . American media is garbage . No one believes you feminists crap anymore , no one . Men are human beings too . There were at least 200 people at one point in the Conference hall . At least . Which is pretty good for a first time .

  • Geary

    The Men’s Rights Movement actually started back in the 1970s, after they broke off from the Mens Movement due to the latter starting to fuse into Feminism. IE, The Men’s Rights Movement is a countermovement at best, and, thus, is incapable of moving things forwards because it inherently opposes the forward movements given to us by Feminism.

    But, hey, if it makes you feel better to believe a group founded on misogyny and hatred of feminism is going anywhere, good on you.

  • JuanSigma

    “Naw, she means we’ll KEEP the sperm without your permission. You know, cause we’re always burglin’ sperm?”

    You deny this happens and yet statutory rape of boys by women occurs and the boy has to pay for the child whether he wants to or not. You are an apologist in my eyes and you seem to think this issue is funny.

  • JuanSigma

    Freudian slip. That is what you did I think.

  • JuanSigma

    Have you taught your daughter not to be a rapist or abuser or did you just give her the ‘when you say no it mean no’ one-sided version?

    Based on my experiences of abuse, both mental, physical and sexual, by women, it seems they have not had that talk. Indeed, many think it is their right to abuse under ‘empowerment’.

    Most abusers are not men. It is just men know that reporting abuse is pointless. Just as I found out when I first reported sexual abuse and was laughed at and was told to ‘enjoy it’. After that I never reported. Indeed, I realised that reporting would put me in danger of a female counter-claim and who would be believed?

    You and your kind have made it impossible for men to report abuse and then tell us that because male abuse by females is not reported then it doesn’t happen.

  • JuanSigma

    Are you a rapist?

    Do you know that you are one (under the conditions you gave)? How do we, or you, know that you have not raped?

    The problem with your argument is you are happy to say that other people are rapists or latent rapists but you exclude yourself out of that group.

  • JuanSigma

    You choose to ignore what is in front of you because it obviously contradicts feminist dogma. We know feminists do this and as each day passes so do so many more.

  • JuanSigma

    It is not hard to spot a feminist. A few choice words expose them. I tend to do things like describe a stereotype that fits reality and then watch them complain that the stereotype is sexist.

    For example; I describe my home situation where I fix the car and Mrs. Sigma does the washing. That gets them going. Fish in a barrel.

    (Just wait, a feminist is quivering over the keyboard dying to respond that I am sexist but knows they cannot because it would prove my point. Priceless silence…)

  • JuanSigma

    *crickets* after 4 days and counting CB.

  • JuanSigma

    ‘Man up’.

    There is a list of feminist shaming tactics and that one is right up there. Well done.

  • JuanSigma

    Sexist ‘joke’: It discriminates and shames men who have lost their hair through natural processes.

    Feminists would never accept a female-based equivalent so why should we accept your ‘joke’?

  • Auntie Alias

    I have no sympathy for people who have the most power and privilege claiming that they’re victims of society. I’ll save my sympathy for real victims.

  • Auntie Alias

    You wish.

  • Auntie Alias

    Then why did the conference have to move? The DoubleTree would have accommodated 275.

  • sarahgray

    Many people have a hard time understanding the concept of consent. While everyone is potentially a rapist, one can avoid being a rapist by only having sex with people who have consented, and are able to give consent.

  • Susie Parker

    I think Auntie and Helen missed the fine points of your sarcasm!

  • Erik Wedin

    You wanna know what is sad? Videogames as a business make money today. Newspapers as a business lose money today. Videogames are way more important than newspapers and yet cowards in newspapers try to control the content of videogames hiding behind little girls like Sarkeesian instead of just coming out of the closet and confessing they want the good old days back when critics were respected and people had GOOD taste in movies. But today in the eyes of the media everything sucks. People even like Michael Bay movies… ohh the horror, we cant let people decide on their own can we?

  • Erik Wedin

    Ohh yes, the irony MRA:s collect a meager 25.000 dollars CROWDFUNDS to have a conference and its “lining their pockets”. Feminists collect more than 1.000.000 dollars from GOVERMENT to have a conference and your people worship the floor they walk on. Media checking power and helping the powerless ? BULLSHIT you are just as bad as Halliburton and Lobbyists these days and just as greedy.

  • Erik Wedin

    “although women still do not dominate at the very top of society”

    Actually women usually dominate the men at the very top of society. Most men who according to you “dominate top of society” are married and their wife is off course at the top of society with them.

  • Erik Wedin

    Actually modern feminism opposes the forward movement made by earlier feminists. Earlier feminist were “Women can do it”…. Modern feminism is “Women are victims” Not even close to the same thing and the opposite view on women. Earlier feminism viewd women as capable human beings. Modern feminism ONLY view women as victims and wants “black”-status. The connection becomes very obvious for anyone reading the theoretical crap from Peggy McIntosh.

  • Geary

    Please, cry more, your tears of impotent rage are delicious.

  • Geary

    I see you have zero idea of what third-wave feminism is.

  • mcdoulble8

    The guy at the conference said he was molested, my question is when did you decide to be a victim? Why didn’t he just move away from him and tell security or one of the organizers what was going on?

  • Geary

    So examining criticism of lack of representation of minorities in games is trying to control their content? That’s a pretty big persecution complex you got there.

  • Erik Wedin

    Actually I know precisely what third wave feminism is: Namely the result of bitter arguments betweens feminists (Called feminist sex wars) regarding sex and sexuality ending at the Barnard Conference 1982. one feminist from those days I talked to called 3rd wave feminism pure bullshit and named it “Being-angry-at-men-feminism”.. Just women blaming men for everything… and calling men “patriarchy” to get away with sexism (as Cathy Young descrive it). Which by the way fits perfectly with former Gender Studies Professor Hugo Schwyzers explanations. According to him its was about womens dissappointment in men which Schwyzer used to get womens approval, admiration and sex. Talk bad about men – women then reward with sex. Ohh the equality! haha!

  • Erik Wedin

    You are correct in one thing. Mens movement began in the 70s. In fact National Coalition For Men (NCFM) was founded in the 70s However the Men´s movement left feminism around 1980 cause of the increasing mentality of blaming men for everything, which become apparant at the Barnard conferense 1982. Another thing more and more obvious was the fact that many leading feminist women did not think children need a father. In fact the dad-hatred was the reason NOW-boardmember PhD Warren Farrell wrote the book “Why men are the way they are” (1985). And off course then he had to be punished cause by then the only feminism alloved was the one demonizing men. Which would become apparant when Professors Nathanson & Young started researching hatred of males (Misandry). This is also true for research by professor Jim McNamara finding media portray men badly every chance they get.

  • Erik Wedin

    Go ahead and examine your OWN representation then!

    “”Since 1990 when MTDP began collecting data on minority commercial broadcast ownership in the United States, African Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, and Native Americans have consistently been underrepresented among the Nation’s commercial broadcast owners. Ranging from a low of 2.7 percent in 1991 to a high of 3.8 percent in 2000, minorities’ ownership of commercial broadcast facilities has remained far below their estimated 29 percent representation in the U.S. population””

    And those people are supposed to compiain on others??? Hypocritical doesnt even cover it.

  • Geary

    So what you’re saying is that you don’t understand what SECOND-WAVE FEMINISM is and think that Third-Wave Feminism is Second-Wave Feminism, meaning you understand neither. Got it.

  • Geary

    Exactly what does it mean by ‘broadcast ownership’? Because that sounds more akin to the owners of broadcast companies than how much minority characters are on the air.

    But, hey, keep up with the false equivalence if it’s all you have.

  • crimprof

    “This sounds like a lie” in response to someone’s account of inappropriate touching. Sounds like a page from the MRA playbook. I think changing venues due to “death threats from feminists” or “300 registered conference goers” sound like lies.

  • Razedbywolvs

    He started touching Jessica Roy harry arms….. Your right that is weird.

    You don’t have to be homophobic/Gay bashing calling him a molester just because you weren’t interested in his advances.

    I have been hit on by gay men it’s really not a big deal unless you make it into one. You can simply say something like “Your making me a little un comfortable.” Or “I don’t swing that way but if i change my mined you’ll be
    the first to know.”

    I know people are un comfortable around Gay men but they deserve to be treated like people and not like…. MEN.

  • Razedbywolvs

    didn’t recognize a Beatle?
    The VW Beatle
    The dong Beatle
    Or “The Beatles” the guys that wrought “Hay Jude” (A song written to a little boy who’s parents were going threw a divorce.)

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    You’ve got your directional vectors wrong. Feminism is not a forward movement; it is a return to the Stone Age. Patriarchy is a five thousand year old custom on top of a two hundred million year old matriarchy. Feminism is pre-historic.

  • Cascadian Rainbow

    HAHAHAHA!
    WELL DONE!
    Mens rights….WOW JUST WOW

  • nemo

    Seriously? Molested? how about you grow up mate pretty sure real victims of molestation would have a few choice words with you.

  • Gush Gosh

    Oh my gosh. What a whiner.
    Two days in my skin and you would crash.
    Seriously, touching in your fore arm by a gay guy and you are crying “he molested me!”
    Gosh, you are either very ugly, or very anti-social if things worse than that never happened to you.
    Women feeling up arms and chest is social norm. If you doesn’t experience that on daily basis, you are probably, I don’t know, living in your mother’s basement since you were 2.

  • Mark Neil

    Ironically, looking at some of the comments, his experience is being marginalized in preference to women being viewed as victims. He writes an article trashing a conference talking about how men’s experiences are marginalized in order to place women’s interest first… he uses assertions of being molested (but likely failed to report this behavior, thus allowing it to continue. Hows that for a culture that allows sexual harassment?) in order to write that hit piece, only to then have his experience marginalized in order to place women’s interests first, just like the conference was about. Got to love those ironies.

  • http://johngalt2014.wordpress.com/ John Galt

    why thank you ‘guest’ that’s very kind of you.k

  • ReyekoMRA

    he was held accountable and removed from the conference. Accountability on his part is not a ‘journalist’ maligning an entire conference because he was made to feel uncomfortable by a mentally unstable person, I mean maybe it’s just my area but mentally disabled people make me feel uncomfortable all the time as many of them don’t have a concept of personal space.
    Also I don’t work with mentally disable people, quote from my previous comment which you’re response is to: “I work near a home for the mentally disabled” I work in the general vicinity of a home for the mentally disabled and they come into my store all the time, good people for the most part but we have told one not to come back after he was harassing a woman in the store. That one mentally disabled man(severely mentally disabled) is the one and only time I have personally witnessed a man harassing a woman in public.

  • Andy

    Yeah, it would really validate your false victim’s complex if it were.

  • Geary

    Except that the goal of Feminism isn’t matriarchy, it’s the elimination of gender equality, though it is amusing you outright admit that the goal of the MRM is to preserve male dominance.

  • Flax

    Citation is always a nice thing before you claim that a movement does the exact opposite of it’s ideological agenda.

    Just a thought.

  • sé do bheatha a bhaile

    That’s your interpretation, which is an excellent example of selective cynicism. Feminism was only supported by a majority of women by the mid 1960′s. Until then it had only minority support. But as for my statement that patriarchy is the blink of an eye, historically, that is a fact. The female kinship system – matriarchy if you will – is the norm for Homo sapiens. I’m only saying the truth: feminism is not a forward movement. It is backward, or “regressive”. It is a return to the savanna, to the Paleolithic. It is the recrudescence of primitive forms, which is what we see now in society.

  • Geary

    lol

  • Neeraj Wadhwa Hair

    Dear Uncle Neighbor,
    I am writing to express my regrets for not stopping you in kissing me as a child due to my inability to deal with the situation. I hope you can forgive me selfishness and I appreciate it very much.
    Neeraj Wadhwa

  • Erik Wedin

    The speaker stated Rodger’s rampage wasn’t driven by his hatred for women.”

    Too simplictic, hating women (or rather the rules of dating) was one of the reasons but – as proven by the statistics on mass murder – hardly important in any way. Lots of mass shootings happens and misogyny is not one of the common reasons. Ockhams razor apply, whatever reason he had shooting people it was hardly different from several other mass shootings.

    “His 100+ page manifesto – THE MAN’S OWN WORDS – prove otherwise beyond a shadow of a doubt.”

    Actually, NO! The man´s own actions – and statistically other men´s actions – are more important than HIS own words Scientifically speaking, his own words is not that important. Anyone can write down crap on the internet, this in itself doesnt prove anything. The fact is that women are not specifically targeted by him or by ANY mass murderer except one single person: Marc Lepine in 1989. That is one person targeting women and every other mass murderer either targeting anyone or specifically targeting men and boys.

    Same is true for terrorist groups like Boko Haram, they specifically target men and boys for murder. Women are hold alive as hostages. If you wanna talk about a crime targeting women the only thing you can talk about is rape. But the difference in war is not that large. In Congo the number of raped women are 30%, however same study show 22% of all men have been raped so its not ONLY women. But it is violence targeting women MORE than men. As opposed to mass murder where everyone including Elliot Rodger either specifically target men or shoot blindly at anyone.

    “I want you to give me another reason as to why she would try to pass off this sloppy lie”

    Obviously regardless what Elliot Rodger himself thought he is not unique and neither is his reasons for mass murder. I would agree hating women was one of the reasons but not a very important one. You see in scientific criminology there are several different reasons a crime happens. We know misogyny is NOT important. People commit mass murder all the time for other reasons what would make Rodger Unique? He himself thought so yes but he was a complete idiot so why would I trust him? He was racist, that is more common reason for murder. He was clearly narcissistic, that too well know reason. Also USA have a well known gun problem!

    With all the knowledge we have on why murder happens (A LOT specielly in USA) why would anyone ever be stupid enough to believe otherwise for THIS murder, just cause the idiot committing it is delusional enough to beleve so himself? The answer is simple, political activists are scum and use this kind of tragedy for their own selfish reasons. Elliot Wrote so hmself? GIMME A BREAK! He was did not have competence needed to know why he did the things he did. If he had, he could have used that competence to actually date women instead of whining on what grounds women do date men.

    Thats by the way the first thing any real PUA learns. They have to take resposibility, they can NOT give women responsibility. Rodgers did, clearly he was not PUA. The first thing MRA learns is to stop viewing women as measure of success as a man. Rodgers did not, clearly he was not MRA either.

    “if not to absolve him and the audience of their misogyny. I won’t hold my breath.”

    The audience have no misogyny whatsoever. You wanna look for misogyny go check people who have money and power like those movie people hiring prostitutes from hollywood madams. Men´s rights have no money and no power. They had to crowd-fund to get a few 1000s. Feminists in my country got 1,5 million dollars from the goverment to have a conference. Also when hating women in media people reacts. When hating men in media nobody says a word. So stop kidding yourself. Either start using scientific methods to get knowlegde isteead of biased emotions.,

    “This was a poor attempt to throw a lampshade over the motivations of unbalanced beta males, and your feigned skepticism is perpetuating it.”

    Unbalanced males in general and black/hispanic unbalanced males in particular doesnt need misogyny to commit murders. They already commit LOTS of murders for completely different reasons. Any person debating murders who ignores the actual reasons for murders is a liar as well as a clown in a circus. The simple truth is your own wording betrays your agenda “beta males”… Thats the kind of narcissistic language Rodgers used to describe fellow men.

    The simple fact is that Elliot Rodger hated ordinary men (beta males. as you call them) And he hated himself for BEING one. He wanted to be exceptional male while looking down on males in general. He wanted to be white male while looking down on non-white males (murdering 3 asian men). He wanted to be the guy who gets girls while looking down on beta-males who doesnt.

    Its just one problem – He WAS what he hated. He was beta male (ordinary male) he was asian, he was not the guy who got the girls. The thing is you see… Those media-males in Majority Report above, the only thing certain about Elliot Rodger is that had he been alive he would have agreed the MRA: are losers. He never ever viewed himself as such a loser, he wanted to be part of the celebrity crowd and party with Katy Perry.

    You simply cant get further away from the MRA-mindset.

  • Erik Wedin

    Actually I am saying you are WRONG, My sources are feminists who was part of these things. I dont know who the heck you think you are but just assuming you are correct doesnt make you correct. You might still be off course but you need to base your claims in anything for them to matter. People like Prof. Daphne Patai probably know a lot more than you about feminist theory and history since she actually have written books on the subject. Have you researched and written books on the subject? Or maybe you assumed just repeating what you heard friends say was enough?

    Either way according to my sources 1st wave was about voting rights and work, 2nd wave about social theory, 3rd wave was about sexuality and dissapointment in men and 4th wave is all about identity and thus a confused mess.

    And nothing you have showns so far makes you competent enough on the subject to judge my sources or say who knows what. Have you even read “Professing Feminism” ? If not you should hardly go around presenting yourself as competent to say what feminism is.

  • Erik Wedin

    If you media people were not racist, more minority people would own media and then off course more minority characters would be in the air cause the owners reflect themselves on the air. YOUR LOGIC – Not mine. Personally I say you are hypocrites and dont even beleve your own theory. you just pretend to believe it to easier make money. Your color is neither white or black – its dollar-green.

  • LikkiCurry

    Now, now, go back to your crib. You just have epicly embarrassed yourself.

  • LikkiCurry

    I think you’re a delusional idiot. MRA playbook? How about a Albuquerqe joystick. I can spout random words like that too, you know. For all the years reading MRA sites, I can tell that you have never been on an MRA site in your life.

  • JuanSigma

    His actions did speak louder than words: He killed more men than women.

  • Renaissance Man

    This sounds like a desperate attempt to smear MHRAs . . . couldn’t attack the message, so instead created this narrative of sexual threat and molestation by ‘creepy’ men. Wow. Pathetic.

  • Geary

    Uh… how is that equatable? Television and movies, while still being dominated by white men, is still infinitely more diverse than video games, and practices objectification and racism far, far less. Now you’re making up a new metric by which video games fail even worse anyways?

  • Geary

    You DO realize that ’4th wave feminism’ was a failed attempt by 4channers to try and destroy feminism with traditional feminine values that feminism overtly opposes, right? If not, that sort of takes a big hit to your credibility.

  • Erik Wedin

    Since convicted murderer Nkosi Thandiwe shot more women than men (3 women, 0 men) we can assume he was hating women.

  • Erik Wedin

    “Except that the goal of Feminism isn’t matriarchy, it’s the elimination of gender equality”

    Thats just the STATED goal.

    1) It would not be the first movement in history lying

    2) Even if true, stating goals does not guarantee reaching them.

    3) Actual goals are ONLY measured by cauality with method.

    The only relevant thing to judge feminism on is METHODS which currently means stuff like speech codes, kangaroo courts in college withut due process, sexist policy in domestic violence (did you know there used to be gender-neutral policy but then they ended up arresting women for DV and feminists complained.

    Is there any causal result with these things and the goal you mentioned? Hardly. Its more like communism having the stated goal of equality and freedom while doing things that result in the opposite. Oppression does not result in freedom. Treating men worse than women does not result in gender equality. It results in the same as military special forces training…. an elite minority!

  • somewhereincali

    Let’s see, you are lying, because most claims of arm-petting are lies. if it did happen, get over it. If you’re still talking about it all these days later, then you had problems to begin with, you hystrionic hairy-arm rights complex member. Besides, hairy arm-petters are molested many more times over by people with hairy arms than vice-versa. I have statistics to prove it.

    /sarcasm, in case the tag is needed…

  • Auntie Alias

    Anyone outside of the MRM can easily attack the message.

  • Katie

    First you sound like an asshole. Second, maybe because like he said they were in public and he preferred not to cause a scene. The only person who is shameful is you.

  • Renaissance Man

    Oh, its Auntie Alias! Sure is easy. Funny that, though. You would think that if this were an oppressive patriarchy it wouldn’t be? Right? A patriarchy would be all for the ‘distortions’ of the MHRM? Strange that seems to be feminism that is the ideology of most of the political and cultural elite . . . but that can’t be! Aunti Alias, please enlighten me!

  • Mark

    I know we weren’t there and can’t say, and that’s always the difficulty when reading about “inappropriate behaviour” in articles – I find the phrase frustrating – journos, please don’t tell us that “inappropriate behaviour” occurred, tell us instead what the behaviour was and let us decide whether the behaviour was inappropriate or not!

    All we actually get reported here is a compliment plus an invitation to Malibu – this is the only time this has happened to the journalist. I guess the journalist must be less sexy than I am then! I think I’ve had eight or so similar experiences (although Malibu was never mentioned… best I got was Dorset!) and none of them are tantamount to “molestation”, so unless there are more details that the journalist is unwilling to share it sounds like he’s turning his gay panic into an opportunity for victimhood. How very progressive.

  • Mark

    Amen. I do too. If you want to say that a man is “white knighting” feel free to do so because the white knight syndrome means something as a legitimate psycho-social dynamic and even has been criticized by feminists (although some of them ungenerously ascribe a white knights motive to “hopes to get laid”, rather than “in need of external validation of self-worth” – which is more accurate in the majority of cases), but “mangina” is just school-yard name calling.

    However, both are ad hominem arguments (“you would say that because you’re one of those”) and therefore, unless the debator can follow it up with more substantial ammunition, it makes it look like the debater hasn’t got any better arguments (in which case he should read and research because there’s plenty).

  • Mark

    Thanks for bringing that side of the story to our attention. I wonder how many accusing other commenters of being “victim-blamers” will acknowledge in that light that they’re “homophobia-apologists”.

  • Geary

    So what you’re saying is that the MRM is exempt from the same standards as every other movement because you really hate feminism for reasons that aren’t actually real.

  • Erik Wedin

    You wanna talk standards? Since when do you have a standard of the weakest, poorest and least powerful movemenst get harder examination by media while you people actually act as cheerleaders for the strongest, richest and most powerful? Feminism is a billion dollar information industry and YET you talk about MRA lining pockets (As if there was money in MRA and not in feminism)

    its not just utterly dishonest, compared to earlier days media who were there to CHECK power, its a complete disgrace! These days the only thing rich and powerful people need to do is label themselves as part of some SJW-movement and then media does not check the power, they support the rich and powerful creating the exact opposite compared to what you claim you are doing.

    You seem to act like MRM is the power, do you have any idea how insane it is treating feminism like some poor powerless damsels and MRM as the rich and powerful? Whats next?

  • Geary

    So it’s totally not your misogynistic messages and behaviors that any organization worth their salt leaps the fuck away from you guys, it’s just that you don’t have enough money. That’s the problem. It’s all the LAMESTREAM MEDIA’s fault for criticizing you for being a regressive faux-movement whose idea of ‘activism’ is harassing women and shouting #notallmen at every critique of modern culture that implies even the slightest amount of culpability from men.

    By the by, who exactly did Elam do with all that money he asked for to hire tons of security, before you guys got dropped from your original venue? He never seemed to mention doing anything with it, and he has a bit of a history with lying through his teeth, especially regarding events surrounding this conference.

  • Erik Wedin

    “So it’s totally not your misogynistic messages and behaviors that any organization worth their salt leaps the fuck away from you guys”

    What messages? You are not referring to messages fron anyone, You are referring to your own strawmans? You are interpretating for yourself! Constantly you are told your interpretation is wrong and yet you choose not to listen cause intentional miss-interpretation is in line with the narrative you already have

    the narrative where men are alwasys bad and women are always good.

    Your hatred for everything male is so obvious you have to use special pleading – cause if you report BLACK men in the same way you report “Men” (80% negative) you would most likely be sued in court for racial discrimination. According to Professors Nathanson & Young media view men from minorities as “honorary women” cause their normal message regarding men is so negative it would be racist.

    “it’s just that you don’t have enough money. That’s the problem.”

    Actually no, the problem is you acting like they have money. acting like they are rich and powerful and you are “against power”. Its bad enough media after 9-11 over-reported islamic terrorism with the result people got so afraid they did not dare fly… with the result – according to studies – additionally 1500 people died in one year by car accidents alone. The problem is media for political and economical reasons creating fear that has no basis in reality whatsoever.

    “It’s all the LAMESTREAM MEDIA’s fault for criticizing you for being a regressive faux-movement whose idea of ‘activism’ is harassing women”

    In other words… you dont even know women and feminists are not the same thing? Newsflash (pun intented): Hugo Schwyzer was a feminist professor, he sure as heck is not a woman. Pretending women and feminists are the same thing is just another example of dishonesty. Most things you say are either resting on a) your own subjective interpretation or b) lying about the enemy.

    “and shouting #notallmen at every critique of modern culture that implies even the slightest amount of culpability from men.”

    FINALLY!!! you managed to make an argument without saying something about MRM that is not subjective or false . I actually agree with your description here. We do attack so-called critique.. there are many reasons for this,

    1) One of them is the simple fact that “critique” in this context often is just code for marxist interpretation (theory) of the world. Off course when you talk about this so-called critique you dont say a word of what the critique is based on or what specific purpose it is supposed to have. Not to mention even if you attempt to answer those two questions you still have left to prove empirically it does what you claim it does.

    2) Another reason is the hypocrisy behind it all. When we ask media people if they believe OTHER black people should be culpable for what black criminals do, or OTHER jews culpable for what some jews in Israel do, or OTHER muslims culpable for what some muslims do… Well then suddenly most media people dont believe “Critique” is a good method for handling social problems.

    Simply put, your Critique fixes nothing, its just a weapon against people who you view as “the enemy” And the “NOTALL response” disarms the weapon. Thats why you must act like its a problem. But. in the real world punishing a black person for sometning another black person did is racist and evil…

    You have no problem seeing the humanity of a BLACK man
    Its the humanity of a black MAN you have problem seeing.

    “By the by, who exactly did Elam do with all that money he asked for to hire tons of security, before you guys got dropped from your original venue?”

    Did you also ask Sarkeesian what she did with the crowdfunded 150 000 dollars she got? You obsess over the 25.000 dolllar when it was people you dont like. You dont care about 150.000 dollar when it was people you do like. Your question lacks objective basis. They got money for the conference, they did arrange the conference and they did meet the deadline. Compare to Sarkeesian promising to deliver and not only failing deadlines but also having used material copied/stolen from other people. Since we already know you dont even bother to check when people get 150.000 dolllars do you really think you obsessing over 25000 dollars is credible reporting?

    Do you really think anyone believe you even care?

    “He never seemed to mention doing anything with it, and he has a bit of a history with lying through his teeth, especially regarding events surrounding this conference.”

    Really? Specifically WHAT did he lie about?`Last I checked it was the opposite. AVFM told the Doubletree that since the Doubletree sent out fraudulent communication to Elam, AVFM now have published the Hotels communication (which the contract with Hilton stipulated AVFM were not allowed to do). AVFM will happily meet Doubletree in court regarding the matter of who lied and violated the contract.

  • Erik Wedin

    “Uh… how is that equatable?”

    Its not, who OWNS the media and movie companies and make the decisions is way way more important than who they chose to make tell stories about. White rich people making stories about poor black criminals is one thing. Poor black people making stories about poor black criminals is very different.

    “Television and movies, while still being dominated by white men, is still infinitely more diverse than video games”

    Now you show how your bias make your information impossible to trust. You clearly dont even know the subject.

    1) Content-wise Videogames are way more diverse than movies and TV ever can be. The only movies that can compare with videogames on diversity are animated Pixar-movies. They are the only ones that can create characters that are not even human and still connect to the audience. Also you cant make a fat italian plumber hero of action movies. In videogames however such a character is the most known face in history.

    2) You also forget the fact that videogame culture of today was not even created by white people. It was created by japanese people. Japanese companies creating toys for japanese children. Videogame culture then follows those chilren while they grow up. It just so happens that the rest of the world turned out to like those japanese toys. When those children became older they started to make their own versions, Thats how culture works, by imitation.

    3) You also fail to realise most of the time of the gamehistory the technology did not even allow the creation of realistic human characters. Those things you view as important for movies and TV they have always been completely irrelevant for videogames. Your assumption the same rules that apply for movies would apply for videogames is arrogant and ignorant at best, at worst its just a reflection of your need to control other people.

    “and practices objectification and racism far, far less.”

    This from a person clearly hating on japanese youth culture thus being the definition of arrogant racist assuming the rules of his culture should be force-fed to other cultures. ALSO in case you missed it. If you are in Japan, white people ARE minority,

    “Now you’re making up a new metric by which video games fail even worse anyways?”

    You are the one ignorant of the fact that the people who created standards for videogame culture were not white men, they were japanese. You are racist against white people for blaming them for something they did not do and you are also racist against japanese people for judging their culture by your white critique standard.

    Blaming white men for decisions by Hideo Kojima is something only truly nutty people would do.

  • EndlessWinter

    Yes, I have. The origin of “butthurt”, as I pointed out is the implication of having “taken it up the ass”, implying forcible anal sex, and accordingly rape.

    Since the use of any kind of rape joke or rape reference in any but the most concerned and serious sense is “rape apology” and “encourages rape culture” according to so many feminists, why is this any different? Except that you want to be able to use it in this sense.

  • LookAtThisIdiot

    Nothing says “my opinions are moronic baby-time whining” like using the term mangina.

  • Erik Wedin

    “I was incorrectly referring to Farrell, yes”

    Exactly, inaccuracy from you.

    “but that’s due to it coming from another ‘contributor’ who wrote an article at AVFM saying pretty much the same thing”

    How on earth is that even a reason?

    “Which means that Farrell saw an article that said that women in marriage can’t be raped and thought it belonged on his webshite.”

    His websiite WUT? Do you even realise Paul Elam and Warren Farrell are two different persons? AVFM is run by Elam, not Farrell.

    “Erin Pizzey, the woman who claimed that it’s only domestic violence if the woman fears for her life?”

    Context? Source? Did you personally hear her say that or did one of your twitterfriends claim she did and you got so worked up over it you never bothered to check it it was true, or in what context?

    “No, I haven’t heard of Earl Silverman and Sage Gerard. Which probably says a lot about their success.”

    Actually since you are deliberately sabotaging them it must be your success. Specially Earl Silverman committing sucicide you and your twitterfriends must be real proud over that “success”.

    “CAFE, the organization that tried to organize a concert and the lost the support of LITERALLY EVERY OTHER ORGANIZATION INVOLVED once”

    Ohhh let me guess… Once journalists started to incorrectly attribute CAFE the quotes of other organisations and persons? Same way you talk crap about Warren Farrell above “but only…” because somebody ELSE wrote something… and not even on Warren Farrells website but on A Voice for Men. You are wrong on who wrote it and you are wrong on where they wrote it. WOW this thing checking facts and sources seem to not really be your thing.

    “they found out their views”

    The same way YOU found out Mr Farrells views from a site not operated by him where a person who is not him wrote something? Thats called GOSSIP, not journalism.

    “and falsified documents to get tax-exempt status?”

    Or maybe you just claim CAFE did that cause some other Organisation did that? In absence of sources and context we can only assume you just trusted whatever anyone else said.

    “You want them representing you dudes?”

    Compared to what? You lying about who says what and confusing an organistaion with a completely different organisation? Are you under the impression you make such a good job that CAFE is not neeed?

    I would prefer CAFE not even being needed but thanks to obvious bias in media they are! Bernard Goldberg (Author of BIAS) was right. Media has an obvious double standard. You are obsessed to the point of the fanatical with the idea of female supremacy.